Would we be better off without CWG?

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Well, the Civil Rights Movement for the Soul suggested on this Front Page a few days ago has already gotten underway. Many people who read about this spiritual project have already agreed to become part of the initiative. Those of you who have said “Yes!” to my invitation here will be hearing from me personally within the days ahead, with an invitation to become part of Humanity’s Team, the global spiritual activism organization that is sponsoring the project.

Many of you have joined the conversation about this initiative here, and the Comment String has been lively indeed. I should like to react to just a few of the posts that were made in that string now, and then, in future postings here, move into a description of what becoming involved in this outreach could entail for you.

First, let me interact with some of you, one Comment at a time…

Kristen wrote: “The thought of a worldwide change is great, but I feel it would be more successful without CWG attached to it to include Jews, Muslims, Christians, Athiests etc, and if there was a clear point to include stopping suffering….”

I agree with you Kristen, in part. I absolutely agree that the Civil Rights Movement for the Soul — may we use the acronym CRMS here? — I absolutely agree that the CRMS should “include Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists, etc.”, and I am not sure if anything I have written or said anywhere would suggest or indicate that I do not. Nothing inherent in the CRMS eliminates participation by, or inclusion of, persons belonging to specific religious or cultural groupings.

Quite to the contrary, the movement specifically invites members of all religious, spiritual, political, economic, and cultural groups to join together, to dialogue together, to explore together, and to examine together, with sincerity and honesty, the question: Are our present beliefs about God and about Life working? That is, are they producing the outcomes for which we had hoped — and for which they were intended?

I also agree, Kirsten, that within this global project there must be “a clear point to include stopping suffering….” That is why I wrote, and just released, The Only Thing That Matters, which offers a detailed description of how suffering can be vastly reduced, and ultimately removed, from one’s individual experience.

The passages and chapters in that new book about how to end one’s suffering as one moves through day-to-day encounters can change your life. They were intended to, so I hope that everyone here reads them. (The book, by the way, has been published, line by line, for free on my Facebook page, so that everyone can access it without needing to buy it. And Kirsten, if you want to avoid being “in debt” to me by reading it for free, you are welcome to “trade” me your dollars for my book, and then we will have what you feel is a fair exchange, with no subjugation intended or produced.)

Now…going forward…I do not agree, Kirsten, that the Civil Rights Movement for the Soul would be “more successful without CWG attached to it.” CWG is offering humanity a whole New Theology, based on new principles, new understandings, new beliefs, new choices, new ideas, new clarity, new definitions, and the new behaviors that would emerge from all of this. Chief among these new ideas, Kirsten, is the firm CWG statement that CWG, in itself, is not the answer.

Indeed, in Friendship with God the world was given A New Gospel. You have indicated that you have only looked at the CWG material in a cursory fashion. That could explain why you feel the CRMS would be better off without it. It is dangerous to criticize something of which we have deliberately caused ourselves to have limited knowledge. If one doesn’t choose to know about something in detail, that is one’s choice. But to then suggest that a spiritual/social movement would be better off without it seems ill-advised at best, since one admittedly doesn’t know what one is talking about.

In fact, in Friendship with God we are given a brand New Gospel to spread and share with the world. This gospel was referred to again in The New Revelations. Let me quote that second book from the CWG cosmology here, Kirsten, in case, in your cursory look at the CWG material, you missed it.

EXCERPT…

NEALE: It is possible that the Word of God as put down by humans in their holy books has some errors in it? Is it possible that there is something we don’t know about God and about Life, the knowing of which could change everything?

If only there could be a New Gospel.

GOD: There can be. It was proposed before, in the book Friendship with God. Fifteen words that could change the world. A two-sentence gospel that would turn your planet on its ear.

NEALE: Yes, I remember now. Two sentences that would alter everything.

GOD: They are sentences that could not be uttered from many pulpits or lecterns, by many religious or political leaders. You can dare them to say it, but they will not. You can beg them to repeat it, but they must not. You can cry out for them to declare it, but they cannot.

NEALE: Why? Why can’t they say it?

GOD: Because to utter this New Gospel would be to invalidate everything they have taught you, everything of which they have sought to convince you, everything on which they base their actions.

NEALE: You’re right. It’s a New Gospel that could save the world, but the world cannot preach these two sentences. The world cannot proclaim them. They are too powerful. They are too disruptive.

Still, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe there are some brave religious and political leaders who might take up this proposed New Gospel and repeat it. Let’s proclaim it here!

“We Are All One.”

“Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”

What a message that would be coming from the pulpits of the world! What a declaration that would be from the podiums of all nations!

How powerful those words would be uttered by the Pope, or the Archbishop of Canterbury, or the leading cleric in the Baptist Church, or the world’s Islamic voices, or the president of the Mormon Church, or the head of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod!

I invite them now—right here, right now—to say them, to declare this their truth, to include it in their next public sermon.

Imagine the Pope saying, “God loves all God’s children, and we are all one. There are many paths to God, and God denies no one who takes a path with humility and sincerity. Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”

The world would shake. The foundations of all the world’s major religions—separation and betterness—would crumble!

I challenge every political party spokesman, every international chief of state, to place this in their party platforms and to announce this in their speeches.

Imagine the candidates in the next U.S. presidential election saying, “This is a complex time, and there are many approaches to the challenges we face us. I have my thoughts and my opponent has hers. My opponent is not a villain. She is not a bad person. She simply has ideas that are different from mine. Listen to our ideas carefully, and then see which one of us it is with whom you agree. But in the end, I want you all to know this: These are the United States, and we are all one. Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”

The political process would never be the same. Gone would be the demonizing. Gone would be the character assassinations and the impugning of motives and the “make-wrongs” and the belittling. Standing in every election would be two candidates presumed to be good people whose aspirations are to serve the public interest, who admittedly are seeking power because there are things they would like to get done, and who simply disagree on how to do them.

GOD: That is a wonderful picture you paint. That is the picture of a transformed world.

NEALE: But no major political party leader could ever say that. No major religious leader could ever declare it. Their whole message, their very credibility, is based upon just the opposite premise. The whole structure of humanity is built upon the idea of separation and betterness.

GOD: That is the situation in your world, precisely. That is the point being made in this conversation.

There are many humans who cannot abide the thought of living with such new ideas, and so they die instead, clinging to the Fifth Fallacy About Life as their truth. They declare:

It is appropriate for human beings to resolve severe differences created by all their other fallacies by killing each other.

— END OF EXCERPT —

And so we see, Kirsten, that the very underpinning of the Conversations with God message is that the material itself is simply a starting point for larger discussion, for deeper exploration, for ongoing expansion of our ancient views about God, about Life, and about who we are in relationship to each other. And yes, CWG offers some ideas about that, some thoughts about that, some pretty firm recommendations about that. Yet it makes it clear that its ideas, thoughts, and recommendations are not to be embraced as “truth”…but merely as a beginning commentary, allowing each of us to find our own truth.

Throughout the CWG Commentaries the point is made that we should not, should never, allow CWG to become our “new bible,” our new inviolable dogma, but rather, should always and evermore self-reference, using our inner wisdom and inner guidance to lead us to our own inner truth. How can such a point of view be deleterious to a Civil Rights Movement for the Soul, Kirsten?

Your commentaries, ladies and gentlemen, are invited below…

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29 responses to “Would we be better off without CWG?”

December 13, 2012

Maribeth McFaul

Neale – Thank you for your thoughtful response to Kirsten’s post. I have read most of the CWG material and it happens to resonate with me. When I saw the invitation to join the Civil Rights Movement I was excited but also a little fearful. I don’t want CWG to become like the televangelists or other such aggressive religious practitioners.

I was raised Unitarian, my first husband was Jewish, and my current husband is Catholic. I love some of the Jewish rituals, prayers, and music. my favorite is the Shema which means “listen.” There is such wisdom in the old stories. However, as Rabbi Rachilis at University Synagogue explained, the Old Testament was a spoken book for 500 years. In religion school one day he played the game of telephone, demonstrating to the children that the spoken word is reinterpreted and often misinterpreted as it travels down the line. A wise Unitarian minister once explained religion as if they are looking through different colored pane of a stained glass window…all at the same light.

I have enjoyed the lively batter between Kirsten and Buzz and look forward to joining The Civil Rights Movement for the BODY and Soul!

-Maribeth

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December 13, 2012

mewabe

The Dalai Lama may be one of the few who expressed this new “gospel”, and his belief in multiplicity, in the fact that for example Buddhism is best for him but other ways are best for others.

The problem with all conceptual thoughts (all ideologies, dogmas, beliefs, and even perceptions and opinions) is that we let them become our “masters”.

We then try to mold our own lives and that of others and the world to them, instead of remaining open-minded, flexible and of having a pragmatic, solution-oriented approach.

In other words, why care whether a practical, working solution is politically conservative or liberal, a spiritual approach Christian or pagan, etc?

Sometimes, we need to let go of the road map (the concepts and beliefs) and follow the wind. Actually, we need to do this at all times, abandoning definitions and rule books and becoming thus responsive to reality, rather than blindly and rigidly attempting to impose, to force what we believe ought to be on reality.

That’s what Zen and Taoism taught originally, but even they have become rigidified “disciplines” over time.

It seems most humans have a hard time letting go and embracing life on its own terms. They desperately cling to the mind, and the mind, attempting to find permanence and security in an ever changing reality, creates “permanent” concepts and beliefs that totally blinds it to this fluid, subtle, evanescent reality, and consequently causes it to no longer be fully responsive to life.

We see this as a human grow from infancy to old age, becoming more set in his or her ideas and ways as the years pass, and less capable of responding to life.

Societies, cultures, civilizations follow the same pattern, which is why all of them eventually disappear, to be replaced by new ones.

Perhaps our entire world needs to be replaced by a new one, one without belief systems, without conceptual rules, one that is like an infant, with the abilities to adapt, to grow, to respond directly to outer stimuli without the barriers and limits placed upon these responses by ideas on what ought to be.

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December 13, 2012

Marko

To Mewabe. “The problem with all conceptual thoughts (all ideologies, dogmas, beliefs, and even perceptions and opinions) is that we let them become our “masters”.

I agree that this can certainly happen. However, I don’t see this happening with those of us who are growing, advancing & becoming more aware.

Now with the influence of CwG. CwG is in principle & spirit anti dogmatic.

Dogmatism of CwG would be a misinterpretation of it’s teachings.

Becoming more aware means we see more readily subtle or overt rigidity within us. As well as the limits we place on ourselves & perhaps others much sooner. We make corrections & avoid what history has repeated in so many others.

“It seems most humans have a hard time letting go and embracing life on its own terms. They desperately cling to the mind, and the mind, attempting to find permanence and security in an ever changing reality, creates “permanent” concepts and beliefs that totally blinds it to this fluid, subtle, evanescent reality, and consequently causes it to no longer be fully responsive to life.”

I think that is a fair statement. Yet one that is changing do to massive spiritual awakening that now is in the early stages of process.

Rules can be replaced by consensual agreement that fluidly changes as needed with new information & revelation that replaces or more often “tweaks” a more refined agreement.

We may not be at a place of consensual agreement now, but we can move closer to it until in becomes self evident that certain agreements just seem to work, play & benefit society with no ill side effects.

Example might be agreements to just be kind to all life.

Gratitude, appreciation, compassion, will be seen to be so health giving & life affirming & solution bringing that we simply adopt them on a collective basis because they work & play so very much in our beneficial favor.

Smiles,
-Marko

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December 13, 2012

Herve

To live in a place of being righteousness or as CRMS is is to see it as it is fulfilled. Enlightenment leaves no discussion as you are there, only being that, knowing only that and being the continual outflow of your eternal self representing the all oneness. I do not think I am…I am. Blessings

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December 13, 2012

mewabe

I agree Marko about gratitude, compassion, kindness, but the question is, can the human psyche actually envision life without enemies, or boogeymen, without evil or demons to fear, without anything to judge or hate or suppress?

Some have stated (including a US president) that the only way humanity could become unified is if it were threatened by a common enemy from outer space.
That’s a very sad reflection on what some believe is human nature.

We all agree that in theory, ideally, there is no reason to live under the illusions of fear, of separation, of conflict.

What I am asking is, is it really possible, are we, at this stage, not those of us here on this site but ALL of humanity, ready to live without expressing one form of violence or another (even suppression is violence) towards those we, for some reason, fear or oppose?

Are we ready to live without this duality (friend/adversary, etc)?

In my opinion, in order to let go of this need to have enemies, we need to face the enemy within…that which we judge and condemn within ourselves. This is the origin of all enmities (again in my opinion).

When we are no longer inwardly divided, we will no longer divide the world. When we are integrated and unified within and consequently at peace, we will understand that the creation was One and peaceful all along.

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December 13, 2012

mewabe

Marko, your mention of gratitude, compassion, kindness is an open invitation for me to once again preach in the wilderness (everyone run for cover!)

In my first comment I expressed the thought that most concepts and beliefs are basically unnecessary baggage, that if we were to be as children, responding directly to life, we may be better off. All of us.

Now what is the difference between most adults and most children? Beside being more adaptable and flexible, less stuck in mental rigidity, children are generally a little more open-hearted.

And here comes the preaching: compassion, kindness, gratitude come naturally, spontaneously, effortlessly to those whose heart is totally open (not 3/4 open, not 9/10 open, but completely, absolutely open).

The open-hearted could not hurt another, could not kill or cheat or otherwise harm another, because s/he would FEEL the pain thus inflicted on the other as if it was his or her own.

Some people call this being empathic…but it is not a special gift or condition. It comes to ALL whose heart opens totally.

So with an open heart, we would no longer need to “cultivate” compassion or gratitude, to “believe” in love, etc, because we would be these things…we would FEEL them completely. We would not need laws or jails or many rule books, because love would be the only law, the only guidance.

And here is where I differ with Neale: from what I understand (tell me if I am mistaken) he believes thought comes first, then feeling.

I believe feeling comes first…and that thought comes as INSIGHT when thus aligned with the heart and soul.

Of course those whose heart is not totally open must rely on thoughts, on ideas and beliefs, on the mind, for guidance, precisely because they do not feel.

They do not know, for example, who they are because they do not FEEL who they are.

They search for a meaning in their life because they do not realize that FEELING IS MEANING.

They must be told that killing another is not the best choice, because they do not feel the horror of such an act, the pain that is inflicted on others.

The true neurotic must be told that peace is preferable to conflict because he cannot feel, and consequently comprehend, the difference between the two, and thinks that peace can only come with the defeat of one of the parties involved in the conflict.

I understand that most of humanity is not ready to undergo the profound inner journey that is required to open one’s heart completely…that people love their own little boundaries, their personal little territories, their protected inner wounds and wasteland.

Unfortunately most do not understand that the totally open heart is the ONLY totally open door, everything else is just a narrow, difficult, laborious pathway and a temporary solution.

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December 13, 2012

Marko

Mewabe, your energy & deciphering of these concepts are very commendable, at the moment I don’t have the energy to address them all. Please don’t think lack of energy means lack of interest, it doesn’t.

“I understand that most of humanity is not ready to undergo the profound inner journey that is required to open one’s heart completely…that people love their own little boundaries, their personal little territories, their protected inner wounds and wasteland.”

Well here we might want to consider that there is a sleeping giant that is about to awake. Perhaps gradually, perhaps more quickly.

I like to use technology as a preview of spiritual awakening. When cell phones first came out mostly (not all) business men & wealthier people had them first. Now many homeless people have them.

There’s more technology in the Iphone than was used in the landing of the man on the moon. This is all happening within the last 15 or so years. I feel the spiritual awakening will also happen in a similar way. As people like us forge ahead the readiness & receptivity to this broader functional spirituality we can quicken the process.

We do so in how we treat those who are not receptive at all & allow them to walk their path as we walk ours,— not condemning their path or way (mostly conservative Christians) and being compassionate toward them allows them to open their hearts. Which will close if we continue to be arrogantly condemning toward them.

“I understand that most of humanity is not ready to undergo the profound inner journey that is required to open one’s heart completely…that people love their own little boundaries, their personal little territories, their protected inner wounds and wasteland.”

Really? They only lack the tools and alternative educational possibilities that CwG & like minded material offer.

I can’t & won’t ever argue against an open heart. Except to say it’s susceptible to being taken advantage of. I do not feel it has to be totally open to bring the peace we seek.

I think, if we prefer humanity to be more awake & open hearted, you/we visualize & promote that which will bring it in via the LOA Law of Attraction. Why waste time doing otherwise?

Magically,
-Marko

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December 13, 2012

mewabe

Thank you Marko, I agree, and especially on not condemning people for their beliefs or anything else.

But my point which is very difficult for me to explain because so foreign to the way most of us have been trained to think and to experience life is this:

I will just say it succinctly.
Neurosis (meaning the outcome of the suppression of feelings) creates unreal beliefs, such as for example a belief in a punishing, judgmental God, or a belief in hell.

By the way these specific beliefs are simply humanity projecting its unresolved inner fears, giving them forms and substances that appear to be understandable.

Humanity is neurotic (unable to fully feel, meaning to have a completely open heart), and has been for a very long time.

We are actually getting better…we no longer tolerate dismemberment or burning people alive on the public square, we are getting more feeling and sensitive, slowly.

For example, when enemy civilians die in war, it makes the news…in WW2, thousands of civilians died under friendly fire, and the cost was deemed acceptable.

The more we feel, the more the heart opens, the less we have needs for unreal beliefs (such as the ones mentioned above).

When fear for example goes away, when it is healed and resolved, the beliefs that were created by these unconscious fears also go away automatically.

That’s my point, a point that is very difficult to explain and understand. That’s also where Neale and I differ.

Changing beliefs does not change the inner person permanently, it is a daily challenge, it is “work” (that’s why people call it “spiritual work”)…but changing (healing) the inner person (opening the heart) changes beliefs without any struggles or efforts.

False beliefs simply go away, when the heart and consequently the full consciousness are healed.

The reason I mention this is this: these beliefs did not come out of nowhere, they came out of the human psyche. They came out as a form of defense against feeling, of opiates (it has been scientifically proven that certain ideas and beliefs release natural pain killers of the brain).

For example (a very simplistic example, not necessarily realistic but just to illustrate my point), a person who fears a male God no longer has to FEEL that he was raised by a father who scared him. The neurotic defense systems (defense against specific emotional pain from the past) then works adequately.

This is a very complex topic and would unfortunately take an entire book to explain, including how the brain works.

But I want to mention something about the open heart. I do not mean this in a Christian sense of being all loving and angel-like. By open heart I mean a person who is fully conscious, who is absolutely, completely in touch with all of his or her feelings, who can feel very deeply.

Such a person cannot be taken advantage off precisely because fully feeling and fully conscious…s/he can see very clearly and straight through other people like the owl sees through the darkness.

That’s what I mean by open heart….a fully feeling heart that leads to an awakened consciousness (the way to an awakened consciousness is through the heart).

Neurosis, or the product of the suppression of the feeling process, on the other hand, cause unconsciousness in humanity. This has been our world condition for centuries, perhaps due to the brutality and harshness of certain living situations on earth.

That condition is slowly improving, but we are not where we need to be yet, and changing beliefs, attempting to change the cultural story is a great improvement, but it is ultimately only a stop-gap measure.

The permanent change comes from the awakened consciousness (what Neale calls “highly evolved being”), which comes when the person becomes fully conscious, in other words when the person feels fully, is fully connected and integrated and ONE within (fully open heart aligned with the whole being).

This inner integration of heart, mind, body and spirit and of centering in the heart, was Joshua’s (Jesus) path, I believe, from what I vaguely understand…it’s a guess anyway.

All of this in my opinion, of course.

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December 13, 2012

Buzz

I believe that paradoxes and contradictions must be central to a spiritual text for it to be anti-dogmatic. The contradictions in CwG are only implied, based on the apparent self evidence of current understandings, ie we are individuals and separate from each other is commonly accepted, so when Neale says We Are All One, he is correct AND we are separate. CwG never admits we are separate.

Therefore, CwG is incomplete, and not anti-dogmatic. This has since changed as Neale’s understanding grew, and the core messages clearly identify the subjective nature of truth, yet I have since seen many people misinterpreting this. Additional elaboration may be required.

Within this context, almost everything that everyone has written here feels right for me, and is simultaneously misleading. Further, many of the points made here, but several contributors, are points I’ve tried to make in The Village General Assembly, with misunderstandings and disagreements rife.

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December 13, 2012

Marko

Well thanks for the more detailed explanation. There is no problem here as this is what is currently working for you. Your defining what you see is as an open heart is very helpful.

Your definition of suppression of feelings & collective neurosis seems very clinical. That said, I saw things similar in the past & tended to see much of the world in sort of a psychoanalytical way. Still probably do. The big difference is that I have soften my judgments so much that more compassion comes out & more peace.

I do see things more positively even when appearances say otherwise. Example: The fiscal cliff with Obama & John Boehner.

It could be nauseating & depressing to see such seeming dysfunction & deadlocks as well as being tiring & irritating. Yet when I see this news (like tonight) my thought is this:
“I believe they can intelligently, creatively, wisely come to a grand agreement beneficial to all.” That’s the reality I desire to pull in work & play for. Spiritual growth can be a lot of work as you say, been there, bough the t-shirt & dvd. Now I like to see it as fun & play. In some cases serious play. The only way to bring that in is to live in it as best I can.

Seeing the possibility of a grand agreement & decision may seem silly or fool hardy for many but not to me, who desires to use the LOA in play out in our best favor.

I get that it can be a hard shift to be able to do this. The collective negativity, say to congress, is so negative that they (congress) in turn have granted our wishes in the form of acute dysfunction. You have to start some where & I’ll go there even if others can’t this point. Though I suspect here there is a much greater reception to this.

Mewabe there will be plenty of other times here on this site to engage in this very interesting dialog we have. So for now, I’d like to leave it back to the original topic at hand & not have it become the mewabe & Marko show. There will be more suitable places here to explore further these ideas & questions you are so passionate about. All in good time.

Magically,
-Marko

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December 14, 2012

mewabe

Marko, thank you for your response.

You have to follow what works best, as we all do…if you find that the LOA is best for you, then of course, without a doubt, go for it, everyone has a gift, a talent, a preference, an individual focus, a unique contribution…we must all participate in this global symphony in our own unique way!…

About collective negativity…I think it happens when people give their power away (such as to any authority or leadership such as government) and then feel predictably betrayed, not realizing they betrayed themselves by giving their power away in the first place.

In my experience everything is spiritual…everything is an experience in consciousness. There is not a thing or a creature in the universe that does not exist or act spiritually because all is and has a form of consciousness, even the table on which this Mac stands.

So seeking spirituality seems to me to be kind of like looking everywhere for our own two feet.

The way I see it, to define spirituality is to loose spirituality because it is by necessity to limit it, to define it in opposition or in contrast to what we believe not to be spiritual. There is no peace in such conceptual divisions or conflicts. This is what led, in the past, to spiritual schools of thoughts asserting that sexuality and spirituality were incompatible, and to the old conflict between “spirit” and “matter”.

But if we are to think in terms of energy and vibration or more exactly frequencies, we can probably agree that love and gratitude (which must be felt, not just talked about) likely express the most beneficial, healing, harmonious frequencies for our world.

I will take a break, thank you Marko for an open-minded and very interesting dialogue, and for your willingness to engage in it.

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December 14, 2012

Kristen

Well! Firstly thank you Neale. And no i don’t want to buy your books. I have a library down the road. I am one of those people authors kind of cringe at! And I like trees (smile) I work hard for my money, and part of my belief that we are all equal in status, including animal life (other than the God realms and above), is that I try to avoid giving my money to those who obviously earn more than me. I have traded with you; traded differing opinions! Debt is an evil unnecessity in life, other than perhaps a housing loan if people are more careful, about everything…….

I don’t work with perception, based on the common use of the word anyway. To me that is a polite way of saying ‘too lazy to find the necessary information to form facts over opinion, deception, influence or the basics’. But to use the word correctly, I am very perceptive, intuitive and seek more information to form facts to understand. Therefore I have pointed out what I understand, based on my intuition and known facts. And I strongly believe in informed choice as I have explained, and if that makes me different, then I have no concerns about that. And what I understand about spiritual information requiring a trade is my huge concern for the general public. If you understood what I have said to be a fact, as I do, would you also be concerned?

Yes, we can stop suffering for ourselves, I do not question that. Those who want to help themselves can, those who aren’t even prepared to try shouldn’t expect others to help them, or complain. I cannot comprehend how in this world we tell former addicts how wonderful they are for breaking their addictions, surely we should then tell those who are smart enough to avoid addictions in this informed, world how wonderful they are. Pathetic. What I would like to see is a world where we are trying to, and acheiving a goal to end the suffering of those who cannot help themselves, primarily children and animals. Stopping the sadistic practices of caged laying hens, penned animals, horse racing, animal and child abuse etc. Profit should never be made from any form of suffering, and karma will kick in, and with the dire state of this world now I suspect the Universe is about to introduce emergency tactics like Karma Via Created Circumstances. This introduces karma for the suffering caused being bestowed upon all of those who indirectly, as well as directly, are creating the entire circumstance of these industries existing. This means all of those, especially businesses, purchasing from these farmers and suppliers will face consequences (spiritual law – trade done!).

I do not believe everything in the bible, obviously the church has changed it to suit themselves. The differences between original antique bibles, and the newer ones is astounding. From the first sentence. Old ones state “In the beginning Creator…..”, then later introduces God. I am a staunch supporter of God as the judge, and his advice and teachings are astounding, and like Jewish people, I primarily use it as a guide to life. And I have huge problems with people blaming my God for their faults, and wrong doings. An example being with child brides. God stated girls can seek a higher education (old version of university) after leaving school, until they are of age to marry. I would guess 17-18ish?! And possibly Buzz’s teenage problems are linked to the church members influence. God stated if you have a nightly emmission to wash your sheets! And the ostracising of pregnant teens: God stated if having premarital sex you should get married, and to look after widows and orphans, surely this would include pregnant teens and their babies if the father is not prepared to marry her. As I’ve said before, Yshua (Jesus) is the closed minded nutter, but people insist on putting their beliefs against God. It is for this reason that for my compulsory stint fighting evil, I chose to testify against them for judgement day, especially to get their names crossed out of Yshuas little book of names. And I took the job at the top of the list I was shown, which was so testify against any sexual predators, especially those abusing boys and males, so they don’t have to themselves. This is why I react so strongly to Buzz’s sick fetish, people who CHOOSE suffering, especially sexual based, should stay on realms where there are only consenting adults, and not be reincarnated here. This sickens me, and is so insulting to victims it is disgusting.

I cannot and do not support your God, and have given enough reasons why i do not trust him. I have my own God, two in fact. Not a different perception, a completely different person. Although I do understand why your God committed blaspheme to make himself known here, and I also have such faith in the Universe and the Source governing it, that I accept that they will let happen whatever they feel they need to in order to clean up this mess. And I eagerly await the scripture I have quoted earlier.

Buzz I got sent back in here, obviously to address Neales post, and to return the respect of listening to others, so will address you in the previous post if you responded. But your constant use of the word paradox irritates me so much because most of us have been speaking english our entire lives. When we speak we don’t have a need to point out paradox, irony, verb, adjective, innuendo etc. We can all read, and those are words we know but there is no need to use, and you are doing it deliberately to try to sound smarter than everyone else. In other words, that we are dumber than you. Not the case sunshine. IQ 130 here, and I suspect the others are similar. As I have said, it is a lowly language transitory stage, and you will evolve to a more simplified stage of language when you can move on from your language issues.

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December 14, 2012

mewabe

“What I would like to see is a world where we are trying to, and acheiving a goal to end the suffering of those who cannot help themselves, primarily children and animals. Stopping the sadistic practices of caged laying hens, penned animals, horse racing, animal and child abuse etc. Profit should never be made from any form of suffering”.

Thanks for your contribution on this Kristen!

As a side note, beside the main and obvious motivation to end cruelty and abuse being love and compassion, it is rather interesting to note that even those who profess to be somewhat spiritually aware or evolved do not understand that when they consume the flesh of animals that have suffered their entire lives, that have been literally driven mad by overcrowded living conditions in factory farms for example, they absorb the imbalanced vibrations or frequencies of these suffering animals…the frequencies of intense suffering, and of the terror and pain they experience in slaughterhouses.

The actual screams of pigs being slaughtered have been used in the soundtracks of horror movies.

It has been said that if slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian.

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December 14, 2012

Sibila Reventlow

I am joining Humanity´s Team, I´ve also just mailed the person to contact on Humanity´s Team.org under contact for Denmark.
with love from Denmark
Sibila

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December 14, 2012

mewabe

How is Humanity’s Team proposing to deal with this madness from government, in practical terms, just keep your heads down and comply with whatever you are told to do?

video from anonymous….join the revolution!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXg2WsNCrW4

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December 14, 2012

mewabe

About the video above, just kidding of course…I know all revolutions fail, unless it is a revolution of consciousness, in which case it is evolution, which it needs to be.

The forces of resistance to change, such as the military-industrial complex, are getting scared….feeling threatened.

It’s a good sign, they smell something in the air, they know their time is about to run out, that the ground is shifting under their feet, and like all those who fear intensely and have no clue, no grasp on reality, they are going mad with control.

It’s all good.

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December 14, 2012

Your XL ansy sah

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December 14, 2012

Phoenix

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December 14, 2012

Dave

How wonderful if
“We Are All One.”
“Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”
became the new mantra.
The truth is that, as pointed out in your very first book, Mankind fears that there is not enough.
Therefore mankind learns to be greedy and grab things and gather as much as he can – because there may not be enough.
Huge business corporations are formed with the sole intent of making profit for their owners and their supporters (stock holders).
They lie and cheat in order to maximise their profits.
They corrupt officials with overt bribes (lucrative job offers) and even open handed bribes.
Politicians are not there because of their inherent wish to serve mankind , but to gain personal power and wealth, status, importance. To be in control.
As Neal said in the early days, soon after the first three books were published.
When new ideas like those expounded in CWG are released, it will not take long until there is an elite group of “followers” who start to intercede between the founder and the other followers. This happens naturally because the number of followers cannot be serviced by one man alone.
However, there is a danger that the “elite group” may choose to withhold some of the information , because it is to powerful for the ordinary followers or so that the elite group has more control and power, and or wealth.
I remember Neal spelling this all out many years ago in a lecture that he gave in the UK.
So, what’s the solution?
Make sure that the CWG movement never loses it’s focus and slips down the slippery path just described.
Continue to be pure in your beliefs and remember that you are always right.
If you say something cannot be done, you are right.
If you say that the same thing can be done , you are right.
When enough people in the world hold a single belief, it becomes the
new reality and without war!
Look at the history of the Berlin wall.
The world finally agreed that it should be removed and it was.
So the solution?
Simply Know that the world Will change and Will know that
“We Are All One.”
“Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”
and it Will come to pass.

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December 14, 2012

Dave

I am impressed, my comment is being published as I wrote it, no edits.
Well done CWG! and thank you Neal.

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December 14, 2012

Anne

All I know for sure is CWG completely changed my life and liberated a person who had been encaged by the “trappings” of religion (quite the word choice there) When nothing made sense, when all the religiosity in the world failed, someone was kind enough to give me a copy of CWG. It freed me from the necessity of pretending to believe something that made no sense, was completely ALL INCLUSIVE, completely non-judgemental and just plain common sensible.
I have read CWG over and over again, trying to really master and apply the concepts there and I can state categorically there is absolutely NO exclusive-ism to it. No one is excluded for their point of origin, their beliefs, their color, or any other ridiculous division humans can devise. That’s what works about it. It is simple, across-the-board truth wrapped in a kind and loving attitude.

Personally I can’t think of anything any better, any easier or any more profound. (I’m not saying it’s always easier to make the higher choice, but it certainly supports your right of choice to do what you think best).

I am grateful to Neale for being open to receiving the message and then being able to send it to the rest of us. . . .

It’s not IF God is talking, but who is listening. . . . . .

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December 14, 2012

JC

I don’t know what to say. Such sorrow can only be born so long. Maybe I don’t know what to do. Love Love Love.

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December 14, 2012

JC

You mean ‘would I be better off without CWG.’

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December 14, 2012

Laura Pringle

Ummm… What Anne said! Ha ha! All those extended, verbose, delving, intellectualizing posts have made my head spin. But when I read hers, I completely concurred. Thanks so much, Neale, for daring to put forth your books and open this discussion for us.
You’ve shown us an option where We can have a myriad of differing perceptions of our reality, and they are all ok. You’ve suggested that that we are free to alter any one of them at any time, with the understanding that a change in our experience of this reality will ensue. These slight changes in perception allows us to feel we are contributing to our lives/(creations), rather than being a by-product of them. How wonderful is that!? 🙂

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December 14, 2012

Dave

Oh, where is the Like Button?
I would have clicked it on many of the posts and reading the post from Anne also touched me.
I also received a copy of CWG from a friend and it too was life changing.
It seemed almost too good to be true and I wondered if this was from a charlatan or a genuine person.
A few days after the book had arrived and I had read it, I was invited to attend a lecture by the man himself!
I went to the lecture which I enjoyed very much but enjoyed the few minutes I spent chatting with Neal afterwards.

As Neal has said, the message in CWG has been delivered many times, by many different people and at different times.
We only have to listen to the message and make our own change.
When enough of us make our change, there will be a roller coaster effect and a global change will happen.
So what are we waiting for?
We need to take responsibility for our own thoughts and deeds and we need to direct them in a way that will enhance the lives of others in this world.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

In the Thai culture it is called Naam Jai, (the juice of life, generosity).

Stop taking and start giving.

Who said, It’s not what this country can do for you.
It’s what you can do for this country?

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December 15, 2012

Kristen

B – you just can’t help yourself can you? Peoples concerns are real, people do get arrested without warrants, real fear is a healthy fear. Much like wariness of crocs and gators, and thank you Neale for pointing out who it was. And if you are a bomb disposal person it is obvious you will be some form of Military. And I have no problem with that. MIB – different story.

OK people here goes it. Where I didn’t want to go, and have hinted at and drip fed information without being so blatant. My concerns are for YOU and everyone and everything on this planet, except torturers and sadists who do not warrant my giving a shit. Neale has cleared my 20% of suspicions about him by responding to me, knowing what I know, so here goes it (but if I’m dead soon, Neale did it!). This is what you are up against, and why I have tried to convince you that the CWG banner is going to be your downfall, and probably your death. Every religion or teachings will attract rebels, vigilantes, societys misfits and extremists. Thats just the way it is, and I have experienced CWGers of the worst kind so you are not without your own. Nor is christianity.

Bible study time:
Thessalonians 2 – The Man of Lawlessness READ IT
My OPINION ONLY – your CWG God is He of Lawlessness. Full freewill=lawlessness.

Revelation 13:16 referring to the Dragon/Satans 2nd beast
READ IT. I’m not a fan of the Apostles, nor ‘know it all gits’, nor academics, and would love for their prophecies to not be fullfilled just to make them look stupid, and I am sitting on the fence about the truth about it all BUT I am not a Christian whom believes everything they read and worships the Apostles so I am not of any concern. I believe in two paths, and that many prophecies may be published as a warning to enable people to prevent them from happening, since Universal Law forbids anyone the know their own future there must be a reason for it. And they were also informed by Yshua that the deceiver was amongst them, so there is always the chance their perception of evil, is not actually evil.

LESSON – it is common knowledge, and obvious that 666 is the reincarnation of King Solomon. If this is not publicised, be sure the churches, kabbalists and probably muslims know this. The bible rarely uses numbers, generally the written words for them, but Chronicles 9:13 in most bibles has 666 printed as numbers, defining Solomons annual income. And he is known as wise so the word wisdom in revelation is a clue for whose who seek answers. I was shown this by a kabbalah teacher. To me it makes sense as God asked King David if he would effectively adopt Yshua into his family, therefore later taking the throne of King of the Jews and Israelites off Solomons family, and into Yshua and his family (if he has one). Obviously Solomon has an ego bigger than earth, and would have a tantrum over this. If Daniel had lived in Israel it would have gone to him and his offspring anyway. I have been informed that Solomon is not on earth, but who knows. And I don’t care. I know the 1st beast, if it is Lucifer, definately isn’t here. He’s busy rejoining the flock, knowing ultimately what side his bread is buttered on. And taught me how to white light evil entities so strongly you can set them on fire (never possess anyone, ever, they may not react well and may be stronger than you!)

OK – the problems you guys face:
The name of the beast is Solomon, his name means PEACE.
Neale means champion, Donald means world leader, proud ruler.

I want change, and if you have half a brain you will listen to me. I am a child of the Universe, and am neutral, other than my dislike of your God and evil. I am risking my life explaining this. DO NOT USE THE WORD PEACE AND DO NOT DO IT AS A CWG CAMPAIGN. And whatever you do, do not use the modern rubber wristbands with peace written on them. And my input about enviro and animal friendly businesses is probably also something to be wary of.

Forget opinions of me, absorb what I am saying and try to understand you are embarking on something very dangerous, which a couple of word changes will resolve. I am not the enemy, I am only the enemy of suffering causers, I am a pacifist NOW, neutral, and quite frankly, rather not be the one to have to bring this up. To determine what I do and don’t support, I choose right over wrong.

Mewabe – Every day I am grateful that I can easily purchase freerange eggs and meat locally and at affordable prices. All our beef and lamb is freerange in NZ anyway, unsure about pork so I buy freerange (USD$3kg more). I would be anorexic if American – your vege crops don’t sound much better (GM and GE is banned here). The thing that p’s me off is that since I have a cake shop, we go through about 300+ eggs a month (week at the moment). The extra cost here in bulk between caged eggs and freerange is USD$30 a month. Nothing. Yet businesses will not switch. For my shop that would be 10 caged hens, laying daily, being tortured just so I can save $30.

Did you know the strawberries the USA consumes for Thanksgiving and Xmas are from here, and I can tell your economy is quite bad as orders must have been reduced as they have been $1 a punnet for the last month, so we must have a surplus. Boring fact for the day since the B word is probably hiding!

In a hurry, so havn’t proofread this – sorry!

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December 15, 2012

Dave

Kristen, have you read CWG?
Do you remember the God being called him and her?
It’s not a defined God, just God!
Not Christian, Hindu, Jewish Islamic or any other kind of God.
For some people their God is money, possessions, power, control.
What/who is your God?
I may be missing your point here.
What’s wrong with:
“We Are All One.”
“Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”

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December 15, 2012

Kristen

Buzz – unfinished business. I am intuitive, and for some reason I had negative opinions of you for whatever reason, before even arguing with you. The Source is at the other end of intuition, I trust him, and don’t need to know the reasons. Perhaps it is the sexual action based differences (ok- so you are just an observer), or because astral travelling is severely damaging the matrixes around earth that protect us from the other realms (including the ones you visit), or if you are a non human species. Or up to something dodgy. I tried to be nice, and tried to help you, but my intuition is still there, and your dismissal of my life on the sole basis that you cannot comprehend that people are capable of creating the life they want for themselves, and overriding their negative traits they do not want was out of line, and you deserved negativity. Even if that life they want is behind a white picket fence, in normalville of suburbia. I hope that you do ‘get’ this at some point, that YOU are in charge of you, not your parents, past, or this fked up world. If you truly want to understand yourself, read astrology books for a good start. Most are spookily accurate. If you are are rock bottom in here, the only way is up, and sometimes people need to be broken to mend. You have friends or semi-friends, and support in here. Rejoin them. If you want to understand a little how I think (an example of the concept of understanding, using myself as an example) then this is an astrological excerpt from the closest book I have on hand. Ex library – 50c, just so Neale doesn’t get jealous if I buy other books!

“One less spiritual, and less in tune with the universal rhythms may come to the conclusion that mass perception is right, the individual perception wrong, but the piscean has belief in self. Perhaps they see the world for what it really is, but get lost in the seemingly contradictory complexities of their personality……if they can live within the positive aspects of their sign, and overrule the negatives, perhaps all of lifes lessons can be happy and complete. These are people on the side of the underdog, and will fight for what is right. Pisceans are often called meek, they have however, a gift of winning by losing, for their concept of a win differs from others. While the more aggressive people attack, they retreat quietly to victory”

Try reading yours, and ditch the negative traits you do not want, and I hope you find what you are looking for.

Fairytales of New York – The Pogues Perfection!

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December 15, 2012

Buzz

Kristen,
I am always up to something dodgy, in a humorous kind of way. Keeps life interesting. My latest gambit is being open and honest about being in a temporary state of multiple personality expressions. I’m in control, so it’s not a medical disorder, just for fun. My other names are Phoenix and Your XL ansy sah. Phoenix is a nurturing, caring, compassionate female, and XL is a stuck up, egotistical, self-absorbed, arrogant beast of a persona, angry and afraid all the time.

Neale realized something about this that eluded me at the time. Revealing the nature of this gambit on one thread, even if it was the headline story at the time, doesn’t mean contributors on other threads will be aware of the game. For this reason Buzz has been reassigned as an impartial observer persona, existing partly to narrate for the others like in a theatrical story.

I would like to put some of your concerns about me to rest. Learning and becoming aware of how other people, now and in the future, perform sexual activities does not mean I have personally observed these practices, or that what little I have observed did I find in any way enjoyable. These assumptions you seem to have formed have deceived you, and till now you haven’t given me the opportunity to correct them.

I have frequently and seriously postulated the possibility that I am not human. I know I am very different, and a long, LONG, way from the stereotypical normal person. My lack of blind acceptance to generally accepted truths, and my passionate sense of skeptical curiosity and analysis of everything and anything keeps people on their toes around me. My habit of challenging others, their beliefs, assumptions and opinions. In my opinion, every subject is a potential conversation, nothing is off limits, and anything anyone says is a possible means of growing, learning, adapting.

This segment is confusing:
“… your dismissal of my life on the sole basis that you cannot comprehend that people are capable of creating the life they want for themselves, and overriding their negative traits they do not want was out of line, …”

Can you please provide any supporting evidence of this, like the exact post or posts I wrote, and which thread I posted them into (so I can see context), and a little explanation (one line will suffice) as to what leads you to believe I have been dismissive of a person’s ability to create their life as desired. All I have been trying to convey in such comments is that such creativity is elusive for me. The main reason for this is that I don’t know what I want, hence my curiosity. I am toying with as wide a variety of possible experiences to decide what I like and what is healthy.

I have tried astrology, and while the advice for my starsign seems to apply, so does the advice given for every other starsign. Same thing for numerology, clairvoyant advisors, psychological therapy, and support groups. Each is a way of receiving advice, advice that may be helpful, positive, encouraging, optimistic, and hopeful for the future, grateful for the past, and so on. Each is not a better way, merely another way.

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