God and ‘Justice’ and ‘Pay Back’ time

(Part 1 of a 5-part series)

Because Conversations with God says that “there’s no such thing as Right and Wrong,” people often ask me: “Is there no ‘justice’ in God’s Kingdom?” As I have understood the messages of CWG, the answer is “no.” Not the way we understand it.

Yet to fully answer this question we have to, first of all, define what we mean by “God’s Kingdom.” In the truest sense (which is the only sense in which I prefer to speak), everything in existence is God’s Kingdom—and that includes, of course, life on Earth. Which would mean that there is “no justice” on Earth.

There are many people who would agree with that. They would say that the “justice” we see meted out on Earth is all too often not real “justice” at all, but the result of a process that can be influenced (if not manipulated) by The System. No one would seriously argue, for instance, that on this planet the fabulously wealthy experience, on balance, a difference kind of justice than the terribly poor—to offer but one obvious example. And there are more.

Yet it is precisely those who yearn for justice on Earth, and cannot find it, who experience at least some small solace through knowing or thinking that there will be Justice in Heaven. It is very difficult to me to explain to them that there will be none. Not in the way that “justice” is understood on Earth. Not in any way, actually.

For “justice” to be part of the “system” of things in Heaven there would have to be some “laws” to be broken—and someone to be injured by the breaking of them. Neither exists in Paradise. Now there are those who say, “Yes, but both exist on Earth! The System of Justice in Heaven relates to the system of life on Earth, not life in Heaven. Life is Heaven is the reward for living righteously on Earth. And life in Hell is the punishment for not doing so. It’s the ‘payback’ for those who have caused others pain and suffering.”

But what, I would ask, of the person who has caused pain and suffering to no one at all? Will the person who was kind, caring, compassionate, understanding, generous, forgiving, and loving unfailingly with everyone automatically receive the reward of Heaven?

Not necessarily, some would say. Not unless that person believed in God in the “right” way. If he or she did not, then no amount of kindness or goodness, compassion or love that they displayed while here on Earth will matter one way or the other. They are still going to Hell, because they have offended God.

And so, some say, there is a System of Justice in Heaven that has nothing to do with whether one hurts or injures another on Earth. It has to do with whether one hurts or injures God, who lives in Heaven, but keeps tabs on what is happening on Earth and makes sure that “justice is served” one way or the other, now or after death.

Some say the amount of “punishment” that is meted out by God in Heaven depends on the severity of the “sins” one has committed on Earth. Small sins—something like spiritual misdemeanors—are punishable by a limited amount of suffering imposed by God, in a place that some call Purgatory. But Really Big Sins are punishable by everlasting damnation in Hell.

And some say that not believing in God in the Right Way is one of the Really Big Sins. In fact, some say, it is the Biggest.

One can commit no greater offense against God. Even a repentant murderer can get into heaven, clerics routinely tell prisoners on Death Row. But a repentant murderer who does not believe in God in the Right Way has no chance whatsoever. So this is the biggest offense.

This is how some religions have it structured; this is the doctrine some have taught. And we will talk more about all of this in Part 2 of this series, in the next entry here.

Comments

17 responses to “God and ‘Justice’ and ‘Pay Back’ time”

  1. Melissa Shawn Avatar
    Melissa Shawn

    In your current work, you are getting down to the essence of the real issues (real illusions) that keep humanity separate from the truth, and that cause so much unnecessary confusion, pain, and fighting among humanity.

    Now is the time Neale…after many energetic false starts, I can feel that a massive breakthrough in the general consciousness is finally possible. And you are speaking very clearly to the exact ‘issues’ that must be clarified in no uncertain terms. Keep going, and thank you for still being there…for still being willing to speak what you are given to teach!

  2. Alda Ines Avatar
    Alda Ines

    In this adventure divine evil is a necessary good without which we would not be here celebrating the game of duality. Alda

  3. Jaz Avatar
    Jaz

    Thank you Neale.. for sharing your awareness with us. TOTALLY thankful.. I have shared this with few of my friends in my area.. I think this is very vital for us to talk about it, and do it now..
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/357461261006939/

  4. Jaz Avatar
    Jaz

    And I don’t think it is necessary for us to create hell in order to experience heaven..

  5. sana azeemy Avatar
    sana azeemy

    I think the biggest sins are all about human beings….. and God will punish the people who harm the humanity….. One can not offense God but His creations…. So He would punish one, who causes destruction and brings fear without having pity…..

  6. mewabe Avatar
    mewabe

    What is the “right” way to “serve” God according to these religions? It is whatever their dogma dictates. So more than anything, the “right” way according to them implies a total obedience to their authority. They decide, they tell people what is so, and they expect people to obey their commands.

    As such, they place themselves between people and God, blocking the view, getting in the way, misdirecting people’s spiritual thirst, and subjecting people to the worst forms of mental slavery and spiritual self-betrayal.

    But none of this happened by accident…all forms of priesthoods, from the Aztecs to the Holy Roman Empire, made alliances with the rulers to subjugate the people into compliance, and fear always proved to be the best weapon…when fear of physical torture or death was no longer enough to keep the people submissive, the concepts of spiritual death or eternal torment came into play.

    These are just about the most revolting and spiritually damaging ideas ever conceived.

  7. mewabe Avatar
    mewabe

    Info from the web about the original meaning of the word “sin”:

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    SIN IN OLD TESTAMENT HEBREW:

    We’ll stick to the Hebrew, which is the main language here. There are about a dozen different terms for sin. I can’t cover them all, but should caution you that there are subtle nuances that should not be overlooked. But the most common term is “chata.”
    “Ch” Pronounced like when clearing your throat.

    Philologists understand the literal meaning of this term to be: “missing the right point” (Theological Dictionary, vol. 1, p. 271).

    SIN IN NEW TESTAMENT GREEK:

    Ancient Hebrew has sophisticated terminology when it comes to this subject, the root CHATAH being just one of many forms. Greek is a bit less discriminating. The common translation for CHATAH in the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, called The Septuagint, is the family: AMARTIA, AMARTANO, ETC… which also has the meaning of “not to hit” or “to miss.” Suffice it to say that there too, it can mean “intellectual shortcoming,” and so the Sophos (wise man) is contrasted with the Amartanon (“one who is in error” — and not “one who is in sin.”)

    Thus, the Christian writers of the New Testament, could merge both the Hebrew and pagan Greek understanding of CHATAH – AMARTANO in the sense of “missing the mark”…

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    So what does this tell us? Missing the right point, missing the mark…doesn’t this strangely reminds you of Neale’s statement about God, “You got me all wrong”?

    And the irony is that the greatest “sinner” then and by the original meaning of the word sin is RELIGION ITSELF?

    There is a gigantic foot stuck in the giant religious mouth…nice that people are starting to see it.

  8. mewabe Avatar
    mewabe

    Justice, pay back…according to whose standards?

    When a person hurts another purposely, it is most often because that person is himself or herself suffering, and does not know how to express it. And by hurting another consciously, s/he also further hurts himself, herself.

    So where would be the good and the logic in some divine order further hurting (punishing) a person who is already hurting? Are not all willful acts that cause hurt callings for healing rather than vindication?

    All that is needed is the complete opening of the heart, from all concerned.

    Another extremely damaging belief is the one that states the “Jesus died for your sins”. I never believed in this ridiculous idea because I never believed in human sacrifices.

  9. Lloyd Avatar
    Lloyd

    The point is that God is not some Energy sitting out there waiting to judge humanity. God is inside us, knows our thoughts and provides us with this heaven call Life, and what are we doing with this moment within eternity? Individual humans get to choose for themselves only, how Source Energy is viewed by them and used by them to create their existence within this flow of Eternity, and this makes us all Creators or part of the evolution of the Creators process we call existence. Justice then is created by Ourselves, within our own minds, hearts, and awareness. We humans are all one, even if we individually continue to see only separation, from each other, from nature, and sadly therefore from Creator/God. Namaste’
    Butch

  10. Alda Ines Avatar
    Alda Ines

    I can well understand his thinking, and agree that there is no justice, there is no God judging anyone. But yesterday when I watched a movie about World War II, felt the long distance from their human divine perfection. Mankind dug deep, others within the negativity and not finding the door to return the light back to its natural perfection and the release of all this illusion of materiality. Brasileira be thanked, and have no prejudices. Here we live happily this diversity of colors, races and religions and no religions, and that we have added a lot, learned a little from each and just turning everything on a path of liberation from old traditions, we appreciate what they taught us and let everything go up. And that the new arrive. thank you

  11. Buzz Avatar
    Buzz

    Allison Dubois says “We are their heaven.” It is also true that they are our angels.
    James Redfield implies in his fictional novels that humans can ascend into angelic state while still alive, and many people have relayed experiences of near death or living ascension, yet in all cases there was a living human brain involved.
    Even in cases involving the communication by psychics with those passed on, there is a living human brain involved. That of the psychic. This is irrefutable.

    Also, I believe we all agree, including NDW, that our experience of this physical existence is strictly subjective. God alone, being truly omniscient as the manifestation of the universe and it’s contents, can be truly objective. Nothing we experience on Earth is the same as any other living organism experiences it. Even identical twins and clones experience their existence differently from each other.

    Now put these 2 bits of information together in your mind. What can we deduce?
    1. Every known recounting of being on the other side, or communicating with someone on the other side, in all of human history, has been filtered through the conceptual and comprehensible limitations of at least one human brain.
    2. Every time something is put through a filter, the largest components are lost. It is not fair to assume the same happens here, implying the loss of the most important information, but even if it is true we can analyse what we do get and extrapolate that a warm brown liquid with an irresistible odour is coffee, and that it is therefore made with coffee beans. Much more scientific analysis of these experiences is therefore wise.
    3. As our society and civilization advance, culturally, technologically, etc., so must our beliefs. Some beliefs have been confirmed by math or science, some have been categorically proven incorrect, some we still don’t know, and some are brand new concepts our ancestors could never have dreamed of. These changes must be accepted in order for our species to continue growing. Even The Vatican has publicly agreed we must adapt. In keeping with this, we must challenge our understanding of subjects like this too. We must challenge ourselves, each other, Allison Dubois, NDW, …, and God. Not once, not just today, but every moment of our lives, the neverending moment of now. That is the only way we can continually grow into the greatest version of our grandest vision of Who We Are, the One Who Is Many. We must have the courage to question what we’ve been told all our lives, and what we thought we could trust at the time because the storyteller genuinely believed their sermon.
    Justice, for example, has evolved over the course of human history, yet for hundreds of years our collectively agreed understanding of right and wrong has remained unchanged. Yet I challenge you all to consider the possibility that everyone is always doing the best they can with what they think they know, ALWAYS and in ALL WAYS. Every action, even fear and attack, is an expression of love by a mentally ill individual. Therefore to do wrong is impossible, concepts like crime and justice are illusions, and do not serve us. We are self harming to continue such beliefs and behaviour. Our solution is to treat people as patients for reeducational rehabilitative therapy, possibly including medication and/or supervision. Never as prisoners receiving punishment as a form of atonement.

  12. Logan Avatar
    Logan

    Last week I began reading Conversations With God for the second time. This time I am truly enlightened by the revelations of the book. Seems every Christian preacher is espousing that we all have a body, mind and a soul. Yet, they continue to deceive the people by not telling all of the revelation. Then, others are so content in being told what to believe that they don’t make the investment to seek the truth for themselves. I set out on my truth seeking journey nearly two years ago this coming June. Now, I know who I really am as I actually exist. Thank you for being obedient and brave to share your revelations with me.

  13. Tony Avatar
    Tony

    “And I don’t think it is necessary for us to create hell in order to experience heaven..”

    You’re right–probably nothing is really “necessary.” But since we are the creators of everything we experience–and I mean EVERYTHING–we can create any kind of hell we choose. We may choose to do that just for the contrast, or because we think we have to experience it. Realizing we are all one is difficult at first because we don’t experience others the same way as we experience self–but realizing we are the creators of all we experience is almost scary.

  14. Melissa Shawn Avatar
    Melissa Shawn

    Here is a cut-to-the-chase idea:

    It is not that God is inside us.
    God IS us. We ARE God.

    Every thing that lives contains the entirety of God, like a hologram where each bit contains the whole.
    That means that we contain the whole of God.
    And this means that we are God.
    Each one of us.

    Try on this idea for size.

  15. mewabe Avatar
    mewabe

    Yes that’s true (for me) Melissa, and this is why all life forms are SOVEREIGN in essence, literally IN THEIR DIVINE ESSENCE.

    Yet religions are teaching submission and obedience, and the entire world works on this system of subservience…of submission to one kind of authority or another (voluntary submission is still submission).

    So I would say that the entire human world, in its present structures, betrays and opposes the divine or God, because humanity betrays and opposes ITSELF and all life, not allowing them to manifest and express their innate sovereignty.

    Is it any wonder he world is in this mess? Yet what do we do to attempt to repair the damages we cause? We strive to acquire more power and control over everything, the very opposite of what we should do.

    I know this a tough morsel to chew for most people, who have been brain-washed to believe that without submission to authority there would be no order, everything would “return” to chaos, to anarchy.

    Yet let’s look at all of nature, that remains sovereign in all its life forms. Is nature anarchy?…no, it is intrinsically balanced, unlike human civilization and societies, that create endless chaos and imbalance within themselves and in the natural environment.

    Could it be that our view of reality is upside down? Isn’t it time we put it right side up before nature does it for us in ways we may not like?

  16. Ionic Breeze Avatar
    Ionic Breeze

    Yay, Melissa!!! Finally, Someone is singing a real song!!! That’s it in a grand shell of all life. We are that. We are. We just are. There is nothing we have to do but Be who we are. If we just be, all else will fall into place. We should try it this time. We should just be love, and the more love that is love, the more love we create for love to be love with, and on and on it goes for eternity and beyond.

    Love to all Hi

    Ionic Breeze

  17. Erin/IAm Avatar
    Erin/IAm

    This is Grrreat! And, Awww, it ended!…”to be continued…”…in the midst of the twist, no less!!! Thanks…Looove when your stuff grabs me that way!:)

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