WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR HUMANS
TO STOP KILLING EACH OTHER?

“All attack is called Self Defense.”

I have been reminded of that insight over and over again for the past week as Israel and Hamas have inched closer and closer to the next level of their seemingly endless combat that could lead to an all out war in Gaza.

Humanity has been trying to figure out how to bring an end to war since living beings evolved into self-consciousness on this planet. From those very first moments we have found reasons to oppose each other. From those very first moments we have found reasons to fight each other. From those very first moments we have found reasons to kill each other. It has never stopped, from those very first moments to this very moment.

I would venture to say that there has not been one day — not one single day — since the beginning of recorded history when one human being has not killed another. And I don’t mean by accident. I mean deliberately. With purposeful intent.

Not one.

Single.

Day.

…in thousand and thousands of years.

And now here we go again, on this particular day, trying to see just how many people we can kill in the main cities of Israel by showering rockets down upon them, or in the populated areas of Gaza, with air strikes raining bombs.

And as I write this, the talk is of a massive build-up of Israeli troops on the Gaza-Israeli border, prepared to launch a ground assault on a moment’s notice.
What has caused, and “who started,” this latest up tick in the hostilities between these parties is almost irrelevant at this stage. Each side, of course, insists that it is only defending itself. And it is. Seen from each side’s point of view, all each side is doing is defending itself.

Aggression is always called defense. And aggression takes many forms. Not all of it is military. And so it is true that each side in this ongoing conflict has “aggressed” against the other repeatedly over the years. And one has to go back a half-century or more to get to the root of the cause of all of this. And even then the history doesn’t matter. All that matters today is what it would take to end the killing, to end the aggression and counter-aggression that is threatening to embroil a whole region — and even, conceivably, the entire world at some level, if not directly — in a war that could prove unspeakably tragic for the entire human race.

In the past several days I have been reading a wonderful book by MSNBC’s commentator Chris Matthews, Jack Kennedy/Elusive Hero. America’s slain President was personally and intimately familiar with the savagery, barbarity, hideousness and atrocity of war, having served as a PT boat commander in World War II, losing a brother and a brother-in-law in the conflict, and earning the Navy and Marine Medal for “extremely heroic conduct” when he swam for hour hours to a tiny island in the Pacific, tugging a wounded comrade behind him, the strap of the fellow soldier’s life vest between his teeth, after his PT boat had been rammed and split in two by an enemy destroyer. Kennedy lost two men under his command in the incident — and saved the lives of 8 others. The ordeal was something that he, of course, never forgot.

Chris Matthews writes that shortly after the war ended, the future president wrote in a letter to one of his war buddies, “We must face the truth the people have not been horrified by war to a sufficient extent to force them to go to any extent rather than have another war.”

Those words, written 60 years ago, are as true today as they were then — and as they have been for centuries.

Indeed, for millennia.

I have always thought that any human problem can be solved by talking about it. I have said this to my children. I have said this to my wife and to my extended family and to my friends. I have said this in public, at lectures and in spiritual renewal retreats and personal development workshops. I have said this on-the-air in radio and television broadcasts, and in writing in newspaper stories and magazine articles. I still believe that. But we have to talk about the right things.

There are some who say that human beings cannot — simply cannot, for reasons of biology, genetics, you name it — stop themselves from needing to be right…to say nothing of killing each other over their differences.  And the problem becomes, what do you do when the other party won’t listen? What’s left when all the talking has achieved nothing? When one or both parties are intractable? When no one will give an inch? Or when one gives an inch and the other takes advantage of it?

How do you solve it when talking simply does not, will not, has not, and cannot?

The answer is that we all need to talk more — but in an entirely different way. We need, as an entire group called humanity, to talk about not what is going on, but why.

And that is something that no one wants to talk about.

Or, at least, very few people do. Because it is going to put the spotlight on — and may be even ask people to change — beliefs. And that is something that many people would rather die than do. And so, they are achieving exactly that outcome.

Conversations with God famously said, “No one does anything inappropriate, given their model of the world.” This is the same as saying that everybody believes that they are acting correctly — given the way they see themselves and see life in any given moment.

What humanity needs to do, then, is talk about its model of the world. When our model of the world, our whole idea about Life and what it is and what it’s for and how it works and why it exits and who and what God is (if there even is a “God” at all) — when the whole construction produces nothing but anger, crisis, violence, killing, and war…and has done so for thousands of years…isn’t it time to question some prior assumptions?

We need to talk about Who We Are and What We Believe and How We Imagine Life To Be and Where We As A Species Wish To Go, and When We Are Willing To Do What It Takes To Get There.

And we need to request, invite, plead, beg, implore, entreat, petition, ask, call on, and beseech our world’s leaders in government, politics, economics, religion, the military, education, and every area of human endeavor to place these subjects at the top of their agenda. We need to call these the Five Required Topics at any meeting that any of them have about anything whatsoever anywhere in the world at any time.

Let’s call upon our leaders now. Right now. Our world’s leaders need someone to lead them. We thought they were going to lead us, but they can’t. Or won’t. So we need to lead them.

You know who to write to. Write to them. You know whom to contact. Contact them. Then post The Agenda to Save Humanity From Itself on every website, in every newspaper or magazine Letters-to-the-Editor column, on every feedback forum of every television show, every week of your life. Do it. Once a week, every week.

Are you willing to do it?

Comments

47 responses to “WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR HUMANS
TO STOP KILLING EACH OTHER?”

  1. Stephen Martin Avatar
    Stephen Martin

    We all agree to teach our children that the Universe is an abundant place and there is no such thing as lack. Once we accomplish that small, but challenging, change in consciousness, war will no longer take thought in the human mind.

    Sound unrealistic? Maybe, but it’s the only thing that will end war forever. All other efforts will continue to fall short.

  2. Jaz Avatar
    Jaz

    Thank you, Neale, again, nicely put. We need to talk with our leaders, and yes many must be willing to do just that.

  3. Darien Avatar
    Darien

    Interesting that Michael Moore’s movie: Capitalism, A Love Story is on television right now.When the bailout was proposed, thousands of people inundated Congress with emails and phone calls, telling them to vote, no.’ Congress voted no. The Dow dropped 777 points. Within days, congress passed a bill for the bailout. What the people wanted be darned.
    There are a lot more topics of conversation than just war.
    Not only that, it will take action. Because ‘they’aren’t listening.

  4. Therese Avatar
    Therese

    I am sorry, Neale, but I am not fully comprehending.

    Are these the 5 required topics? If so, can you break it down into 5? I get as many as 7!

    “We need to talk about Who We Are and What We Believe and How We Imagine Life To Be and Where We As A Species Wish To Go, and When We Are Willing To Do What It Takes To Get There.”

    The answer to your last question is YES!, but I would like to be able to have the words very clearly presented to pass on.

    Sorry!

  5. Fran Stefaniak Avatar
    Fran Stefaniak

    Thank you, Mr. Walsch! And So It IS!

  6. Laura Pringle Avatar
    Laura Pringle

    I’m sorry, but my mind can’t conceive of how peace-loving individuals can hope to bridge the gap in consciousness between themselves and those whose mindset justifies killing.

  7. Debbi Avatar
    Debbi

    Thank you Neale. You are so very right, it is time for all of us to say enough is enough to the leaders of all nations. The senseless killing needs to stop. The waste and capitalism must end. Can’t we all just try to heal the mess the politicians have created, and find a peace for humanity before it is too late!

  8. Diana Crippen Avatar
    Diana Crippen

    I am only one voice.

  9. Heide-Lore Lieske Avatar
    Heide-Lore Lieske

    As leaders, they should improve themself first. A leader is the one who went through difficulties without blaming other for their own missings. One who’s able to reconnaize their own faults, and their misunderstanding. The one who’s falls and know how to stand-up.
    We do not learn this in protected environment, but life itself is Teacher. Its not the well-speakers language, but the tongue of the Heart of life itself

    How the gouvernment define themself,..as humains?

    What means to be humans-kind?

    Know thyself. Love your next,..as you love your Self,..and share, all has been given to every lifeform born on earth,..no one is special,..as life itself,
    …who has the right to judge, to be better or less……cause naked we came and naked we go,..nothing what is earthly can be taken with, but our soul.
    ..why fighting for matters,
    ..what is external power,..if one need to be protected,…when one need an armee, for feeling oneself protected,..well I would say this person is very fearfull.

  10. Tina Avatar
    Tina

    My brother is flying to Jerusalem tomorrow. To me it makes not a lick of sense, he finished chemotherapy just last Friday. Of all times…idk…can you make sense out of everything people do? I just don’t understand fighting or politics. Do I even mention organized religion? My heart is exausted and I feel any awareness slipping away.

  11. God n' me Avatar
    God n’ me

    Neale, wonderful article on the problem of Humanity. Wondering however, what the answer is when there are those who desire to kill any that oppose their viewpoint. I don’t know that they desire to have an answer for some of the questions you raise. There is a “glory” in their fight and their death, even if it’s a self imposed glory. So I wonder (tapping fingers now), what will be the answer when one cannot change another’s perspective.

    I reckon that I will have to be the answer, that you will have to be the answer, that we will have to be the answer. I suppose we will have to be the peace we desire to see in the world. Yes that means talking. Perhaps, even more importantly it means listening. It means forgiving and it means changing.

    In reality, if there were not problems such as this, to this extent that we must overcome, then how could we ever evolve? Perhaps we’re getting just what we asked for. We’re getting the opportunity to evolve right here, right now. Life is funny that way isn’t it. Imagine if we could get through this. Imagine if we could find the answers, better yet, be the answers. Hmmm, I wonder what that would look like.

  12. Dana Avatar
    Dana

    Ohhh but u are very wrong this time MR Walsch. For some after 10 years of raining rockets on their homes, women, children, animals , cities there no longer remains ANY option but to defend themselves against the fail bombardment. Flowers, songs, love cards nor false hope will work when dealing with terrorist organisations. Sadly this is the TRUE situation wether u choose to see the truth or wether u choose to love inside it own head and deny what is going on in the middle east!!

  13. Anthony Palombo Avatar
    Anthony Palombo

    What will it take? Less talking and more listening. Parker J. Palmer said this in an interview with Sun Magazine (November 2012): “When people want to argue with me about issues, I try to say something like this: ‘Please tell me your story. I want to listen. I know I can learn from your experience.’ He also stated as an axiom: “Violence is what happens when we don’t know what else to do with our suffering. . . . When nations don’t know what to do with their suffering, as with the U.S after 9/11, they go to war. I think it’s pretty evident that what we did in the wake of 9/11 only escalated our tensions with the Middle East and didn’t reduce the threat to this country. Surely our suffering could have led to more-creative actions and outcomes.” We say we’re a Christian nation. Then where is our forgiveness and our turning of the other cheek?

  14. Marko Avatar
    Marko

    You know what I think?

    Does it really matter what I think?

    Well to me it does, in so far as it impacts my personal creation reality, so my thinking matters to me significantly in that sense.

    How much does it impact others & the larger collective however, is currently unknown. I know it impacts a little. And maybe a lot more once we reach critical mass.

    Haven’t we reached that yet? Lots of talk about that for many years. What’s your take Neale? I guess it’s no but we are close maybe???

    Anyway,– my growing compassion threshold as well as my inner peace, wisdom that I have, as best I can live it, is my example to being the change I’d love to see in the world.

    How to increase & market that is a great question for those of us who desire to see the world go in that creative loving playful solution oriented direction.

    My point in all this? I think (correct me if I’m missing something here) is that we have to have some kind of organization to make any kind of significant impact.

    We can ask to write letters until the cows come home with their flying pigs close behind them.
    Without a focused agenda with agreement & backup I don’t see the influence happening in the way we desire.

    If you don’t think organization is the answer, what is? Sometimes things get so bad people spontaneously take action.

    Truth be told. It will all work out in time.
    Time is the key. How fast or slow or how impactful our desires & passion are may determine the speed.

    So in my thinking the first line of action answer lies in “priority” as the single most important step.

    What is our priority here or priorities?

    We don’t have set out priorities & until we do, I think we will be adrift in a endless sea of discussion that never goes farther than discussion. Action comes when we set priorities doesn’t it?

    Are current priorities seem mostly unconscious & defaultish.

    So in my view (which is open for further discussion & tweaking) is we have to be willing to set “priorities” first, on the change we desire to be & see.

    Magnificent Magical blessings,
    -Marko

  15. a friend Avatar
    a friend

    plz dont compare super -tech mass destruction weapon with some rockets wich could do nothing to the civilianz ,coz they r protected in special shelters…this is not a conflict between 2 sides..this is a divasion from one side…that has been continuing for half a century….hundreds of thousands palestanian people have been killed and homeless…why…coz israeli think that they r God people…and they can occupy any land they want…and burn and slaughter innocent children…and buldozer houses which people r living in….and burn farming lands…i am deeply sad…coz world is in silence and even some intellectual people like u …arnt trying to brighten the truth…i am sad…so sad.

  16. Haya Haddad Avatar
    Haya Haddad

    Now, I must ask how will we map out our new cultural landscape?
    Ideas that come from a thoughtful hearts generally lead to consciousness declaration of social justices in the world; it is the expression of the pure being that lives with-in.

    What is humane?
    And in what sense are we human enough to lend a hand that offers the feeling of the heart of God not only the mind.
    May we ask what is the mind and heard of God anyway?
    Thank you,
    Haya Haddad

  17. Alon Sherer Avatar
    Alon Sherer

    Dear Neale,
    It seems that you’re talking about a different war, not the one going on between Israel and Hamas. You completely missed out on the whole thing-
    We, the Israeli side, do not think we are right. That’s beside the point.
    Had we thought that, we wouldn’t have given up any of our land to Egypt or to the Palestinian people. If you seek out historical facts, you will soon find out that there has never been such a people or a state.
    That’s what is right. We don’t care about being right, but about being alive and well. We are being fired at. if that firing were to stop, we would have stopped too. But it will only be stopped by power imposed on Hamas.
    By whomever.
    If you lived in the middle ages, would you stop crusades by talk? or the muslim empire?
    No. Why not? Because they lived in a world of shadows that depicted some people as sinners who must be wiped off the face of the earth. Pagans.
    Hamas is still at that point. We’ve tried talking to them, but I must admit it was a foolish attempt. Wouldn’t you agree?

  18. Vladimir Bayer Avatar
    Vladimir Bayer

    Without placing the blame here or there, there is a reason for the Jews being in conflict through out the ages all the time. As within so without.

  19. Erin/IAm Avatar
    Erin/IAm

    No, Neale, I do not think I will waste such time on humanity…Silly critters that we are.

    Let the Hatfields & McCoys have at each other until they have totally devastated their “Sacred Lands”…Perhaps surrounding folks will step in & put each into their own desolate little areas & told, “Here! Here is where you can make a life…Go for it!…Oh, and here’s a bunch of blankets to keep you warm.” (perhaps with a new virus sewn in?) We have, neither as a nation (U.S.) nor world, even attempted to undo the horrid behavior done unto the Native Nations of our own Sacred Lands…we have NO business in such affairs if we example no more than they! Period!

    I See Stupidity being Seen for what it is…and Nature has a way of dealing with that of any specie…Humans have simply side-swiped this process for far too long. Kudos! But it simply cannot last much longer.

    If one imagines that the bombs & mines do not hurt, whether they blow up or not…if one imagines that the waste from producing these things does not burn, whether contained or not…Then one is sadly mistaken. When Earth does her cleanse & healing thing of these wounds, perhaps human will be humbled into more respectful ways…if we survive thru such, that is…perhaps we will See the living being we live upon…that She, too, is a God-sensor of experience.

    And you seem to believe that the ‘Leaders’ we See are the leaders that Are…and this is not so. What we See are those who do the ‘dirty work’ of a Human Management Group…the strong arms…little more than well-paid collectors & hitmen. This HMG are a wily few, but they hold the strings of humanity as we See it…Thru their eyes, everything is going as ‘planned’…Thru their eyes, They alone are the Stewards of Life here…and to them, Life is Good. Can’t wait for Earth to shake these folks up!:)

    The best any One can do, is the best One can, with what One’s got, in any given moment…The next moment of a lifetime is never guaranteed to be.

    And btw…Isn’t this fight club stuff just part of that ‘illusion’ thingy? Is killing not simply a means to send an angel Home…to a ‘better place’…to ‘reality’? So why the fuss? idk…just wonderin’.:) Primitive bunch, indeed!

    Good Journey!:)

  20. JoAnne Avatar
    JoAnne

    Dear Neal, I was wondering if I might put forward a suggestion.
    Shakespeare once wrote..”the pen is mightier than the sword” and indeed there is power in petition. The problem is that most of us are sheep and we do need a shepard. I belong to an organization known as Avaaz.org. Perhaps you have heard of it. The organizers put together petition, written as one voice and direct it to where it will have the desired correct impact. I, as a member, receive an e-mail describing the “atrocity” (and there of course are many throughout the world) be it a bill about to be passed by a big oil company allowing them to rape and pillage through the Africa or the Amazon, to putting pressure on “the powers that be” who turn a blind eye whilst those under them commit genocide in their religious zeal. Perhaps not all petitions that I along with everyone else who signs world wide have the desired effect but many do.
    My point here is that, we as a populous need clear written directive.
    The truth is no, I do not know who to contact and as an individual I can scale the tallest internet tower and shout out my concerns but unfortunately the average person will shake their heads muttering “how horrible” and carry on.

    If people such as co founder Res Publica can organize the voices of the world I believe you could as well. Please ……lead us…..don’t just tell us we need to walk…show us the path……thankyou..much love JoAnne

  21. Lloyd Avatar
    Lloyd

    A simple place to start asking these questions and talking about these issues is right in our own community, circle of friends, etc. Makes it easier to talk about if you are used to talking with neighbors etc. as this helps us find our voice to speak what we feel in our own hearts as our truth. Make it your truth, because if it isn’t your truth then you will not be speaking with sincerity or writing with honesty and passion, which makes it not feel real to others. So these five questions are questions that we must first ask ourselves and resolve these issues within our own hearts and lives before we can think of asking others to believe in their own answers. Namaste’
    Butch

  22. James Avatar
    James

    “What has caused, and “who started,” this latest up tick in the hostilities between these parties is almost irrelevant at this stage.”

    I don’t agree with this. If we want to end this war and fully understand (or get conscious, if you like) we need to know WHY and WHO is behind this war, and the other wars that are going to begin…If we KNOW the porpuse of this and HOW it works, we can DO something that can really work. If you are saying that is not important WHAT and WHO is doing this, Nelae, you are blinding Mind and Soul, you are forgetting about Consciousness.

    “Aggression is always called defense”
    Not always and not in this case…some people are programed to search, exploit people and natural resources, and destroy….what if they are programed, by “god”, or some other thing to do this…

    “Let’s call upon our leaders now. Right now. Our world’s leaders need someone to lead them. We thought they were going to lead us, but they can’t. Or won’t. So we need to lead them”
    Wrong….you are suppossing that the “leaders” have a Soul and that, at least unconscious, they want peace, love, etc…What if they hate love and peace? And the other thing you are very wrong is, that we should have the same leaders but “lead them” by us. We don’t need that people, we don’t need to lead them, not even to see them like leaders…we need to send them to their god with a kick in their ass…sorry but some people need this to get some conscious, I hope you are not in the middle of a war, seeing your family die, when you finally understand this.

  23. Inger Lise Avatar
    Inger Lise

    Dear Fellow Earthlings.
    It is called Evolution in Conciousness. Or a dream within a dream(including the nightmares).
    And it is the opinion of mine, am seriously speaking, it is not a joke. I`m deadly tired of all the wars and of the killings(as most of us will be).
    The war within making the war without. All of us agree of it is a matter of Self-Realization?(Self-Realization-Fellowship).
    What to do about it? I don`t know, otherwise of each one of the human Race sitting on a hill-top, or in a desert somewhere and meditate all alone(if it is space enough that is), and eating Prana.
    Blessings.
    p.s. But there is hope, since the life is eternal.

  24. Kierra Avatar
    Kierra

    Neale, There’s just too much work which starts at home, and I know the questions are really about starting there but presented along with a story that is ‘way over there’ ie the Middle East keeps the focus too much ‘over there’ for even our growing society.
    Actions speak louder than words and gratefully many know the truth of it is that the peace begins within. Within what? With ONE. It’s a process that takes time and it’s a daily practice to remember that everything is as it’s meant to be. Our minds wonder when enough will be at peace within ONE for it to make visible change ripple out. I see it with my immediate family however it’s not much broader than that to be a noticeble community of one. We socialize in groups which only create division still. We often all this group our ‘chosen family’. It still leaves out many to where the ripple does much more than one here and one there. The groups we socialize with mostly jump to helping ‘the world’ without a thought to the community, although many do endeavor to help the basic needs of the homeless and needy.
    If one big community can form within the city then I’d think we were getting somewhere because then those questions you suggest could begin to be taken to what our children are taught. We can’t even get real integrity passed on to the upcoming adults in such a way that down the road in years to come the problems in our cities and states are not just requiring laws and more laws.
    How much conflict is going to be created in our cities with the upcoming shopping sprees? Conflict is conflict. Our minds may want to label rockets as more conflict than road rage and inhumane shopping frenzies but it’s just not so. It’s easier to debate and theorize about the wars in the world but few would jump in to just bring sanity and peace and saftey to our schools, our roads and shopping malls.
    Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear.
    If you’re not a part of the solution, you’re a part of the problem.

  25. Kathy Kirk Avatar
    Kathy Kirk

    It takes each person, one at a time, to stop hating themselves and blaming it some ‘other’…
    It takes each person taking responsibility for their feelings, instead of blaming some ‘other’
    It takes each person realizing that to kill another is killing your self
    This is happening all over the globe…one person at a time. It is even happening with politicians, military people, intelligence agencies. It is happening. Peace is on the horizon…at last. I don’t think it has ever been on the horizon before like it is now.

  26. David Avatar
    David

    The missing piece… http://davidwainaina.blogspot.com/2012/11/peace-missing-piece.html

    I wrote it in five minutes. I pledge to live it my entire life.

    Peace.

  27. Inger Lise Avatar
    Inger Lise

    Absolutely agree with you both, Kierra and Kathy…..
    And David, I`ll have to try out the link later, because it did`nt worked out here.
    Back in the 1960thies, The Flower Power Children(I wasn`t among them) showing up in the streets all over the world with the words: Peace and Love. Love and Peace all the time; as I, who lived among the U.S. troops in the Vietnam war, as the side-line-observer, with a whole lot of the young soldier-friends, thought of the Flower-Power-Movement as a bunch of qrazy youngsters (all of us were youngsters back then).

    But the movement became a beginning of the new awareness in public, even it showed up to be much drugs among them, and the psychedelic interpretations how Love is to be practized(it is my opinion of course).
    One thing is for sure, the Violence is NOT meant to be a part of a peaceful movement. I`m not for the mass demonstrations at all, it is always ending up in the violence one way or the other. And it is the opposite of to begin with One-Self. But it is the own opinion as usual.

  28. Chris. Avatar
    Chris.

    It seems to me that war is all about perceived conflicting needs. We are are all taught that life is about winners and losers. “someone” has to lose. “Evil” tribes, people, “them” are always portrayed as cartoons, lacking free will. We seem to find it difficult to comprehend that what the “enemy” want is the same as what every human being wants, to be free, to be loved and the live a meaningful life. The only thing allegedly separating “us” from “them” is a difference in how to go about “getting” love,freedom and a meaningful life.

    Sometimes we try to exterminate entire groups of people because we believe they are indifferent or even overtly hostile to what we consider to be freedom,love and meaning. we believe these evil people value subjugation,hate and meaninglessness. We do not see that when we demand that “evil” people value freedom,love and meaning as we define these terms, we are wanting to force them(subjugation and not very loving) to live a life they would no doubt percieve as lacking in meaning. (Obviously our definitions of love freedom and meaning are the “real” definitions and self evident)This is all what i am coming to define as old paradigm thinking.

    I do not yet have a solution to this kind of insanity, but i am very clear that it doesn’t work. My “new paradigm” is a jigsaw puzzle i am working on that sees relationships as systems of being, rather than ingroup/outgroup relations. Sorry if this is a bit vague-i feel vague about it! Oh and this new paradigm(for me) definately does not involve “getting” love,freedom and meaning. It involves living them. I’m not quite there yet.

  29. starlitdreams2 Avatar
    starlitdreams2

    hamas, hezbolah, and the muslim brotherhood all have been needling israel, attacking jews and christians and buddhists, and hindus, saying they will wipe israel off the map, saying they crave to kill jews and drink jewish blood, and doing and saying all manner of disgusting things while lying to the worldwide media and brainwashing their own people into that mental disconnect that they are for peace when all they do is murder, oppress and try to dominate everyone. for 3,000 years, their stupid jealousy and self-pity, wounded false pride over Father Abraham choosing son Issac over Ishmael as the son given the most birth rights.Maybe they need to get over this snub and grow up as a culture. Maybe Issac had more character and maturity to lead and govern, maybe he had more warmth and compassion, maybe he was a little bit smarter. Whatever the reasons, it was Father Abraham’s right to choose which son would get the birth rights to the lands and he chose, so that choice-like it or not- needs to be accepted and let it go and MOVE ON to the present.
    No matter what lands and wealth you already own, you will NEVER be happy until you change the focus of your culture off of fighting and blaming others for your own failings and shortcomings, until you see that leaders of your own people, arabs also, used and manipulated you all to blame and hate any and all people who are not islamic to control the masses, to DISTRACT YOUR PEOPLE from THE POVERTY, VIOLENCE, AND SUFFERING THAT YOUR SUPER RICH LEADERS CREATED FOR ALL THE PEOPLE AND KEPT YOU TRAPPED IN.
    DON’T TRADE ONE PRISON FOR ANOTHER, BY LETTING EXTREMIST GROUPS BECOME YOUR NEW GOVERNMENTS AFTER YOU ALL TOPPLED YOUR DICTATORSHIPS! CHOOSE A TOLERANT DEMOCRACY WITH RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS FOR EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT RELIGION THEY CHOOSE AND QUIT TELLING EVERYONE WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO LIVE. YOU CALL GOOD EVIL AND YOU SWEAR WITH JIHAD THAT EVIL IS GOOD WHEN IT IS NOT. tHAT IS NOT TRUTHFUL WHEN YOU SAY SUICIDE BOMBINGS ARE GOOD, WHEN YOU ALLOW YOUR CHILDREN TO DIE BY PARENTS OWN HANDS, AND THERE IS NO EXCUSE, REASON OR HONOR IN THAT, GOD DOESNT WANT YOUR PEOPLE RAISING YOUR BABIES AND CHILDREN FOR EARLY DEATH, A VIOLENT DEATH, A DEATH CULT,YES EVIL- EVEN IF IT KILLS PEOPLE YOU DONT LIKE, YOUR SO-CALLED ENEMIES THAT YOUR CULTURE CREATED TO CONTROL YOU ALL. YOUR ENEMIES ARE NOT REAL, THEY ARE MANIPULATED FICTION PLACED IN YOUR OWN MINDS BY YOUR TERRIBLE LEADERS AND USED TO SECURE THEIR POWER.
    IF YOUR SECULAR GOVERNMENTS AND POWERFUL, OVERLY-RICH “RELIGIOUS” ZEALOT GOVERNMENTS CONVINCED YOU ALL, VERY FALSELY, THAT IT’S AN HONOR AND THAT GOD WANTS YOU TO BLOW UP YOUR BABIES AND CHILDREN AS A PART OF YOUR METHOD OF BATTLE , THEN HOW CAN YOU CLAIM TO CARE ABOUT YOUR KIDS AND HOW CAN YOU ACT SO UPSET WHEN OTHERS KILL YOUR CHILDREN AS AN ACCIDENT IN BATTLE WHEN YOU DELIBERATELY KILL THEM YOURSELVES?
    I DO NOT MEAN TO UPSET OR OFFEND. I JUST WANT TO HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND HOW EMOTIONALLY AND THINKING CONFUSED AND UNFAIRLY MISGUIDED YOU MAY BE IN VAST NUMBERS BECAUSE OF DISTORTED PERCEPTIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE DUE TO SYSTEMATIC, STRUCTURED BRAINWASHING SINCE YOU WERE VERY YOUNG CHILDREN IN MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES WITH FASCIST RULERS AND FASCIST RULING PARTIES RUNNING EVERYTHING. EVERYONE WHO LIVES WITH FREEDOM IS DEMONIZED IN YOUR MINDS AND YOU ARE TOO JEALOUS OR CONDEMNING OF THEM. YOU ARE WRONG. YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ANY OF THE PEOPLE YOU HATE SO EASILY. WE ARE MORE COMPLEX AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF WESTERNERS ARE LOVING, HELPFUL, GOOD PEOPLE AND WE DONT ALWAYS AGREE WITH GOVERNMENT ACTIONS BUT WE DONT CONTROL THEM AND THEY ALSO DONT CONTROL US EITHER. YOU CANT THINK YOU REALLY KNOW ANY WESTERNERS BY WHAT THEIR GOVERNMENTS SAY OR DO, THE PEOPLE THINK INDEPENDENTLY AND THERE’S A VERY WIDE RANGE OF OPINIONS AND FEELINGS AND WE GET TPO EXPRESS THEM ALL BUT NOT WITH VIOLENCE.. WE USE WORDS AND MORE WORDS AND HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER RAGE, HAVE MORE COPING SKILLS. LEARN FROM US. EMBRACE FREEDOM FOR YOUR WOMEN TOO, LET THEIR TALENTS SHINE AND FACES BREATHE IN THE FRESH AIR AND IN HOT WEATHER AND PLEASE LET THEM COVER THEIR HEADS WITHOUT HAVING TO UNCOMFORTABLY COVER THEIR GOD-GIVEN BEAUTIFUL FACES WHICH IS SO OPPRESSIVE, SO CRUEL UNLESS ALL THE MEN AGREE TO KEEP THEIR FACES COVERED ALL THE TIME AND SHARE THE HEAT, DISCOMFORT AND RIDICULOUSNESS OF IT ALL. IT IS MEN’S IMPULSES THAT NEED CURBING, NOT WOMEN’S FACES!!RATHER, COVER MEN’S EYES AND UNCOVER GIRLS AND WOMEN’S FACES AND JOIN THE WORLD IN 2012 AND LET THEM GO TO SCHOOL, THEY HAVE THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO EQUAL FREEDOM. THEY ARE NOT YOUR SLAVES, MEN. TREAT THEM RIGHT.
    I CRITICIZED WHAT I REALLY, HONESTLY THINK NEEDS TO CHANGE, BUT I SAY IT BOTH FIRMLY WITH LOVE AND GREAT PATIENCE, YOU CAN AGREE WITH ME OR NOT, BUT DO NOT RUSH INTO DEFENSIVE HATE OR EXPRESS UGLINESS FOR MY FREEDOM OF THOUGHT OR SPEECH. INSTEAD TAKE TIME AND REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAID AND SEE IF THERE IS SOME TRUTH IN IT FOR YOU OR ANYONE YOU KNOW,
    IN AMERICA WE SAY THAT A TRUE FRIEND WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH, EVEN IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU DO NOT WANT TO HEAR OR KNOW. A FALSE UNTRUE FRIEND WILL SIMPLY TELL YOU WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HEAR, WHETHER TRUE OR NOT, WHETHER HE OR SHE REALLY BELIEVES WHAT THEY TOLD YOU, OR JUST TO PACIFY YOU,OR TO SHUT YOU UP. I WOULD RATHER HAVE A TRUE FRIEND THAT DOESN’T TWIST THE TRUTH THAN HAVE SOMEONE JUST FLATTER MY EGO, WOULDN’T YOU? ALLOW OPINIONS–THAT IS STRENGTH IN A MAN AND IN A PEOPLE

  30. mor Avatar
    mor

    there is too much noise here.

    as in my land, Palestine-Israel.

    we forgot, in all the noise, that leaving the body (death) is actually all right. so is the choosing of war or destruction.

    eventually, the earth will no longer participate. she will no longer let people destroy her or life.

    untill then, let all of us aware being move inside, into the only real journey there is. let the fighting parties continue with their silly , sad games.they reflect all we are not. re-member that.

    embrace silence and inner love

    God

  31. Steve Bolas Avatar
    Steve Bolas

    Neale,

    Collectively we need to not show support for either party whether they be perceived as the aggressor or the retalitor. Such support only reinforces old world attitudes and perpetuates the us vs them mentality.

    I believe the message needs to be framed in humility and compassion (maybe with some emphasis on consequences of all out war).

    How to frame a message with respect to ‘Diety’ not having a preference to either war or peace and then somehow linking this back to a sense of individual initially, building to collective responsibility, for happiness, peace, serenity etc etc might be the key.

    Steve (Gold Coast – Australia)

  32. Jaz Avatar
    Jaz

    Just as most abusers are those who have been abused themselves. Collectively, the Jewish people are inflicting their collective past pains on Palestinian people. Until the Jewish people collectively ”get some help” they will continue to be the abusers.

  33. Pat Avatar
    Pat

    With regard to the current situation, the starting solution, I believe is for the Israelis to admit that The Exodus did not occur as written in the bible. The Jews did not commit genocide against the ancestors of the people who are now their neighbors at Bible God’s command. Scholars and archaeologists know this, but the truth about the myth of the Exodus has not been widely disseminated; just as the truth that Catholics created Hell out of Pagan traditions with the translation of the bible into English has been slow to be disseminated. It took a couple hundred years to realize that the sun did not go around the earth after Copernicus and Galileo discovered this, but in time, it was accepted. In time, we’ll accept that The Exodus did not occur as written and that Hell does not exist as translated, and I think this may change things.

    The brave thing for the Israeli leaders to do would be to admit that The Exodus story is untrue and see where that discussion takes the region. I’m not saying they should give up the land they hold, but admitting that they do not hold it because they were chosen by God might go a long way towards bringing peace. As Neale points out, the movement must begin from the bottom up, so it’s up to all of us to read the bible and research key issue like the Exodus and Hell and spread the word.

  34. Inger Lise Avatar
    Inger Lise

    Actually, it is a point made by “mor” about the matters of how everything originally have arised by the invention of Death. All of “the fears” have arised upon the humanitys belief-system of(and in) death.

    A funny thing: The word “mor” meaning “mother” in the scandinavian language(I`m sorry, as am to try of looking at the funny things in life, despite of everything).
    ps….by all means, all deaths triggers something deeply buried within us from the beginning of time, because it is the BELIEF in separation.
    Actually, The Body is imbued with all the experiences of us…eventually, of to ever have had.
    ACIM seems to have an idea(and the advice)how to undo it… as one of the affirmations tells: “I`m not a Body, but as God have created me.”
    Neale have many affirmations of the same kind too.

    Somebody on this forum have mentioned it once before, if am not all wrong?

  35. Ruchir Garg Avatar
    Ruchir Garg

    I live in USA, and I have no first hand knowledge of what has actually been happening over the years in Israel/Palestine. So I make no comment on it. But it is very important to bring Neale’s 5 questions into national awareness.

    This is Ron Paul’s farewell speech to Congress last week. It is 50 min long, but worth it. I find his ideas most compatible with CWG principles:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q03cWio-zjk

  36. Marko Avatar
    Marko

    “All attack is called Self Defense.”

    Let’s not forget: “All attack is a cry for help”

    Have a magical day,
    -Marko

  37. Kristen Avatar
    Kristen

    I agree with Dana. And perhaps Neale, both sides are actually fighting for what you suggested they do, just in a different way to how you would do it. You cannot control everyone and want them to conform to your ways. If anyone feels they can force others to conform, then you must also be prepared to conform to what other people impose on you. Which CWG’ers do not.

    We have to get to the root of any problem, everything has a core. I have both Jewish and Muslim people living in my area, living in a peaceful environment. I sell Jewish Kosher food, to Muslim Halal customers, they have the same God, and share the same Old Testament, have the same father Abraham, so both parties are aware that their God executes cold blooded murderers ie no heaven or immortality, which they strive for, as well as to please their God, so would not take these decisions lightly. I find both groups of people to be nice, well mannered, educated, non-judgmental and similar. They have more in common than differences, which you, and the western world, do not understand.

    God clearly defined boundaries, and named that farm Israel, and gave that land to Abrahams son with Sarah, Isaac/Israel, to stay in his family and passed onto his descendants forever. It is nothing but one huge familys private farmland. If Gaza is within these boundaries then it is Israeli land and Israelites have every right to their land given to them by God.

    However, a theory put to me is that God says land etc goes to a firstborn son, and Abraham previously had a son with his Arab housemaid (with Sarahs consent as she had not born him a child) which is why Muslims seized this land and held onto it for many years, and will never give up on trying to re-attain it, and hold onto what they can as perhaps they feel it should be theirs as the descendants of Abrahams firstborn son. Just a theory, but unless people study the older bibles before Christianity got their hands on them, get to know the people involved, understand their God, their religions and cultures, I do not feel it is your place to judge, comment or get involved in other peoples business, especially being so disrespectful to people in a war. Remember your roots, all our families have fought wars and I hope your ancestors are reeling in their graves at your lack of compassion and understanding!

    If you want to help, people should put their money where their mouth is and help with aid, offer to take in children if it escalates, open your home to refugees and sponsor them, donate to the Tel Aviv zoo and the equine rescue centre through WSPA and offer practical help. Action creates change, talk is just a lot of words on paper, often a cover up for hypocrites who say one thing, whilst doing nothing.

    Tina – this is what your brother is doing, please get through the hurt and try to understand he is being a hero, and a man to be admired and respected. I would join him if I would, working at the Equine rescue centre I sponsor and giving practical help.

    Alon – whilst my heart also goes out to Mor, and everyone involved, please accept our love, best wishes, prayers and genuine blessings from Israelites in New Zealand. We are mainly Gentiles, but know our roots, God has been sending so many Jewish people here in recent years – we are being invaded (smile). Maybe we are Gods sanctuary for you. Since I’m aware that those whom bless an Israelite also get blessed, I will also transfer my blessings received to you also! I’m a kabbalist, not Christian by the way. Everyone who fights for what they believe in is a hero – be strong everyone.

  38. Janneke Avatar
    Janneke

    We are just one. We are 7 biljard ones.
    Let’s start writing those letters, let’s go out on the streets and demand PEACE.
    Let’s start really caring about our brothers and sisters out there !

  39. Maribeth McFaul Avatar
    Maribeth McFaul

    I think what needs to happen is that the world leaders should be fleeced to isn’t Ina sort of Conclave until they can resolve their issues…of course taking into consideration the Old Cultural Story which has caused so many problems for so many years!

  40. Ivana Avatar
    Ivana

    Reading through some of these comments, i find myself experiencing disenchantment, frustration, and finally, apathy. Even in this encouraging and open cyberspace, we, humans, are still fighting for who is right, who should shoulder the blame and referring back to history to help support an argument. We need to self-reflect on the content here in this dialogue and ask ourselves the question: is this who we really are? Some of these comments reflect how much the Old Cultural Story is still so prevalent, and how habitual it is. But it does not relfect the essence; the core, of who we really are.

    If you find yourself typing out a response with fear, anger, hate, or, most importantly, trying to be right, then that is when you should really refrain, and ask yourself the question: is this going to forward the conversation and contribute something, or is it going to hinder it?

  41. starlitdreams2 Avatar
    starlitdreams2

    No one bothered to read my above comment, which partly and directly addressed the centuries long issue about Father Abraham giving the main birthright and lands to Issac, rather than to Ishmael, his half brother( although Abraham gave Ishmael other good lands and a fine home and many animals to tend).

    Deep down inside, everyone knows 3 clear truths that explains everything about why and how Father Abraham chose to treat his second son as the firstborn son which, whether we think it was nice or mean for him to have done so…
    1) THIS WAS ABRAHAM’S OWN LEGAL RIGHT, AND CHOICE, AS FATHER, TO BYPASS THE CUSTOM AND CHOOSE WHOMEVER HE WANTED TO LEAVE HIS INHERITANCE TO. HE DECIDED TO CHOOSE ISAAC SO THE LANDS DO BELONG TO THE DESCENDANTS OF ISAAC, AND NOT THE DESCENDANTS OF ISHMAEL.
    JUST AS IT STILL IS UP TO ALL OF US, EVEN TODAY, TO SELECT OUR OWN CHOICE OF BENEFICIARIES, OR WE CAN GIVE NO ONE OUR INHERITANCE TOO.
    2) FURTHERMORE, IT IS EVIDENT THAT IT WAS BOTH ABRAHAM’S CHOICE AND SARAH’S CHOICE, AS HIS ONLY LEGAL WIFE,TO SELECT WHO GETS MOST OR ALL OF THEIR PROPERTY.
    3) OF COURSE, AS A MOTHER, SARAH WOULD WANT HER ISSAC TO INHERIT THE LANDS, BECAUSE ISSAC WAS HER OWN NATURAL SON, AND THE SON WHOM SHE HAD WITH ABRAHAM. SARAH HAD NO BLOOD OR BIRTH CONNECTION TO ISHMAEL, BECAUSE HE WAS NOT HER SON, PLUS ISHMAEL WAS THE RESULT OF AN ADULTEROUS AFFAIR WITH ABRAHAM HAVING SEX WITH A MISTRESS OUTSIDE OF THE MARRIAGE, IT DOES NOT SERVE AS A GOOD EXCUSE, OR JUSTIFY TO SARAH THAT ABRAHAM MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET ANOTHER WOMAN PREGNANT, EVEN IF THEY WERE CHILDLESS. WHEN ABRAHAM HAD SEX WITH ISHMAEL’S MOTHER, AND THEN SHE HAD A BABY, SARAH WAS NOT REQUIRED BY LAW, DID NOT HAVE ANY MORAL OBLIGATION TO EITHER RECOGNIZE OR HONOR THE MISTRESS OR THE SON OF THE MISTRESS, ISHMAEL WHEN SHE DISCOVERED HER HUSBAND HAD CHEATED ON HER.
    4) WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO PEACE IN ABRAHAM’S HOME IF HE HAD CHOSEN ANOTHER WOMAN’S SON TO INHERIT THE LANDS THAT HE AND SARAH JOINTLY OWNED.
    5) IT IS ALSO CLEAR, OR SHOULD BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR BY NOW, THAT SARAH, ABRAHAM’S LEGAL WIFE, NEVER EVER GAVE CONSENT TO ABRAHAM TO HAVE RELATIONS WITH AND TO TRY TO IMPREGNATE ISHMAEL’S MOTHER, EVEN IF SARAH THOUGHT, OR RATHER ABRAHAM THOUGHT THAT SARAH MIGHT NOT GET PREGNANT.
    6) THE TRUTH IS THAT ABRAHAM ASSUMED, OR WANTED TO BELIEVE, THAT SARAH ALREADY KNEW ABOUT THE AFFAIR AND IT WAS OK WTH HER, BUT SHE DIDNT KNOW, AND WHEN SHE FOUND OUT THAT ISHMAEL WAS ABRAHAM’S SON AND THE PRODUCT OF ABRAHAM SLEEPING WITH THEIR HOUSEKEEPER, SHE THREW THEM BOTH OUT OF HER HOUSE. THAT WAS HER RIGHT TO DO AS HIS WIFE AND ANY WIFE WOULD FEEL THAT WAY, THAT SHAME AND ANGER AT THE BETRAYAL OF HER TRUST.
    7) THIS WAS NOT SARAH’S FAULT. THIS WAS ABRAHAM AND HAGAR’S FAULT AND ABRAHAM KNEW HE HAD SINNED SO HE TOLD HAGAR THAT SHE AND ISHMAEL HAD TO MOVE. A HUSBAND WILL USUALLY SIDE WITH THE WIFE WHEN THE AFFAIR IS DISCOVERED.
    8) ABRAHAM STILL LOVED HIS WIFE AND DID NOT WANT TO LOSE HER OR THE MARRIAG, SO HE ENDED THE RELATIONSHIP WITH HAGAR, BUT FIRST SET THEM UP FOR LIFE IN A NEW LIFE AND HAD HIS WORKERS BUILD HAGAR AND SON ISHMAEL A SUBSTANTIAL, VERY NICE HOUSE IN ANOTHER, FAR AWAY AREA IN ISRAEL,
    HE HAD HIS WORKERS GO WITH THEM TO DIG THEM A NICE WELL FOR WATER TO DRINK AND HAD WORKERS PLANT THEM MANY CROPS AND HE GAVE THEM MANY ANIMALS AND MONEY SO ISHMAEL AND HIS MOTHER WERE VERY WELL CARED FOR. NEITHER OF THEM LIVED IN POVERTY, BUT WERE STILL WEALTHY AND HE MADE SURE ISHMAEL RECEIVED A GOOD EDUCATION TOO.THANKS TO ABRAHAM HE PRIVATELY ENSURED THEM BOTH, HIS SON ISHMAEL A GOOD FUTURE WHICH LED TO MANY OF ISHMAEL’S DESCENDANTS (ARABS) LIVING WITH COMFORT IN OTHER LANDS, MANY COUNTRIES BUT ISRAEL FROM WAY BACK BELONGED ONLY TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE AS AN INHERITANCE THROUGH THE LINE OF ISSAC, THE SON OF SARAH AND ABRAHAM.
    9) BECAUSE ABRAHAM CHOSE SARAH OVER HAGAR (THE EX-HOUSEKEEPER EX-MISTRESS) AND ENDED THE RELATIONSHIP WITH HAGAR, AND EVEN THOUGH HE GAVE HER AND HER SON ENOUGH FINANCIAL SECURITY FOR LIFE, HAGAR RESENTED AND HATED HIM BECAUSE SHE HAD THOUGHT (OR HOPED) HE WOULD LEAVE HIS WIFE FOR HER.
    SHE SO RESENTED ABRAHAM BECAUSE SHE COULD NOT WIN HIM BACK, AND COULD NOT MANIPULATE HIM INTO LOVING HER OR STAYING WITH HER.
    SHE WAS JEALOUS, ANGRY, REVENGEFUL AND TRIED TO TEACH HER SON TO HATE HIS JEWISH FATHER AND LATER SOWED SEEDS OF HATE FOR ALL JEWISH PEOPLE WHICH ISHMAEL PASSED ON TO HIS WHOLE LINE OF DESCENDANTS WITH MANY FALSEHOODS ABOUT AN INHERITANCE THAT NEVER EXISTED FOR HI
    SHE LIED TO ISHMAEL SAYING THAT PROPERTY ISHMAEL NEVER NEVER OWNED WAS STOLEN FROM HIM, WHICH WAS NEVER TRUE AT ALL BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER GIVEN OWNERSHIP OF THE LANDS BY ABRAHAM AND ISHMAEL, IN TURN, TAUGHT ALL HIS DESCENDANTS THE FALSEHOODS 10) ISHMAEL’S MOTHER ALSO BLAMED SARAH AND HER HATRED OF SARAH BECAME AN OBSESSION, FROM THE REJECTION AND WOUNDED PRIDE BECAUSE HEWAS RECOMMITTED TO SARAH AND NOT HER WHICH LED TO HER TEACHING HER SON TO OPPRESS AND MISTREAT ALL WOMEN EXCEPT HERSELF.
    THIS MISTREATMENT OF WOMEN CONTINUED THROUGH HIS WHOLE LINAGE AND PERSISTS TO TODAY, WITH OPPRESSIVE LAWS WRITTEN AGAINST WOMEN’S RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS AND TURNING ARAB WOMEN INTO THE SLAVES OF MEN UNDER SHARIA LAW, FORCING WOMEN AND GIRLS TO LIVE HIDDEN UNDER VEILS FOR THEIR WHOLE LIVES, REGARDLESS OF THEIR HEALTH, COMFORT, OR THE HOT WEATHER, AND WITH SEVERE PUNISHMENTS FOR ANY ATTEMPTS TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES OR REGAIN FREEDOM IN ANY DEGREE.

    THIS IS THE REAL TRUE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO AND HOW THINGS GOT CARRIED AWAY TO THE BLOODSHED OF THE ARAB WARS.

  42. Elizabeth Allweiss Avatar

    HOW DOES ONE ERASE OR DELETE ONES OWN POSTS AFTER THEY ARE POSTED HERE? I DONT SEE ANY DELETE BUTTON.

    1. Lisa McCormack Avatar

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      1. Elizabeth Allweiss Avatar
        Elizabeth Allweiss

        There is no edit button or is there a symbol? also i dont want to post as my name!

  43. Elizabeth Allweiss Avatar
    Elizabeth Allweiss

    WEBMASTER OR DISCUSSION LEADER:PLEASE DELETE/ REMOVE ALL OF MY COMMENTS I POSTED FROM NOVEMBER 18, 2012 TO YEAR 2016 ON 3 YEAR BLOG CALLED “WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR HUMANS TO STOP KILLING EACHOTHER.”. DONT JUST DELETE MY ACCOUNT. I AM FEARFUL TO KEEP MY OPINIONS POSTED BECAUSE OF ISIS, OTHER EXTREMISTS WHO MIGHT READ MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. CONFIRM WHEN THIS IS TAKEN CARE OF. USER NAME starlitdreams2
    Send notice of my comments deletion to
    starlitdreams2@yahoo.com

  44. Elizabeth Allweiss Avatar
    Elizabeth Allweiss

    theres only reply or share. ineed my comments deleted! and dnt want to post with name! only as starlitdreams2

  45. Elizabeth Allweiss Avatar
    Elizabeth Allweiss

    DELETE ALL MY POSTS NOW FROM NOV 18,2012 AND FORWARD.

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